Sufficient Self Forum

Never mind. I think I just need to bow out of this thread.

Sorry for your loss and your troubles, Farmchick.

Last edited by Buster (07/31/2010 4:42 am)

Don't let your guard down, those dogs know where they can get a quick meal if they get desperate enough.


Could there be a Llama or a donkey in your future?
Our old Vet has a donkey that HATES dogs!!
I don't know how a Llama or a donkey would work with goats, but..........




Guard behavior


Using llamas as livestock guards in North America began in the early 1980s and some sheep producers have used llamas successfully for that entire time. The use of guard llamas has greatly increased since a magazine article in 1990, when national attention was drawn to the potential use of llamas for guarding sheep. The ideal guard animal should protect sheep against predation while requiring minimal training, care, and maintenance. It should stay with and not disrupt the flock, and live long enough to be cost effective. A variety of guard animals currently in use include dogs, donkeys, kangaroos, ostriches, and llamas. Of these, guard dogs are still the most common; guard llamas number only in the hundreds. Studies have proven that llamas are successfully being used as guard animals for herds of sheep, goats, alpacas and other livestock throughout the North America. Protection of the herd and easy maintenance are the two most commonly cited advantages. Llamas are introduced to a herd and are pastured with them; they do not require separate shelters. Ideally, a llama should be introduced to the sheep while they are in a corral or small pasture rather than on open range or large pasture. The llama should remain in a small area until the sheep and llama seem well-adjusted and attached to each other. This encourages bonding between the sheep and llama. A llama introduced in this manner will be more effective as a guard against predators.

Research supports the use of multiple guard llamas is not as effective as one llama. Multiple male llamas tend to bond with one another, rather than with the livestock, and may ignore the flock. A gelded male of two years of age bonds closely with its new charges and is instinctively very effective in preventing predation. Some llamas appear to bond more quickly to sheep or goats if they are introduced just prior to lambing. Many sheep and goat producers indicate a special bond quickly develops between lambs and their guard llama and that the llama is particularly protective of the lambs.

Using llamas as guards has eliminated the losses to predators for many producers. The value of the livestock saved each year more than exceeds the purchase cost and annual maintenance of a llama. Although not every llama is suited to the job, most llamas are a viable, non-lethal alternative for reducing predation, requiring no training and little care





Donkey story.
http://www.icelandicsheepworld.com/guarddonkeys.htm

I think as the economy worsens we will see more and more deadly dog packs.

yep. and sometimes its just plain foolishness.

when we first moved in even my good neighbors couldnt understand why we wouldnt let our dogs go over and "play" with theirs.. um.... nothing is worse for the farming community than 5 male dogs running loose!

FC - sorry about the late nite. this is really a worrisome situation for sure. i know that its been hard on everyone.  i know you'll just keep on keepin' on.

SKR8PN is right, stay on high alert.

i know you arent a dog person but maybe a donkey would be a good guard choice for you?

you and T will work it out, i just know it
:-)

I'm so so sorry!

I second the donkey if you get one that is friendly.

Our donkey, Daero, had to be kept separate from the goats because he would try to kill them, but he was a wonderful guard animal, whenever the dog get in the pen she went flying out the other side as soon as possible.

FF, I hope they left that great Dane in the pig pen to give them something to eat!