Greetings from South Africa

Maybe you can start to appreciate the Bermuda in the pasture.
In the garden, lay down cardboard if you can get it. It will help to smother out the weeds and Bermuda. But Bermuda will travel to a hole in the cardboard and come up. But at least it will be subdued a little. LOL

baymule said:

Maybe you can start to appreciate the Bermuda in the pasture.
In the garden, lay down cardboard if you can get it. It will help to smother out the weeds and Bermuda. But Bermuda will travel to a hole in the cardboard and come up. But at least it will be subdued a little. LOL

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I dont have a problem with Bermuda. Im actively trying to get it established here. Im saying it is hated by other people. Im loving it for all the reasons other people seem to hate it

"more invasive than Attila the Hun" gave me an out loud chuckle!!

i'm sad for native environments that keep getting disrupted by people who think they must have these plants. sorry, i can't think that is a good thing for the world or diversity in the long term if everyone goes out and destroys their native environments.

if you want to see the results of such actions on a larger scale look at what California has to go through because the grass species they used to have did not encourage wild fires to the extent that the grasses that have been brought in the past 100+ years for cattle grazing that have largely replaced the natives.

They planted Bermuda grass for the lawns when they added a few houses to the townsite where Mom lives in the 70s. It mostly just invades planting beds. Gets maybe 6 inches tall at max. Mom found if you don't water it, it will die. They don't get enough rainfall for it to survive.

I don't know what all we have here grass wise. Several species that are native, plus the invasive reed canary grass. The invasive likes the water. It was planted for use as cattle feed. Cattle prefer other grasses but will eat it. Constant mowing does kill it back. None in the lawn area. Only where water ponds and I can't mow as much and out in the marsh

flowerbug said:

i'm sad for native environments that keep getting disrupted by people who think they must have these plants. sorry, i can't think that is a good thing for the world or diversity in the long term if everyone goes out and destroys their native environments.

if you want to see the results of such actions on a larger scale look at what California has to go through because the grass species they used to have did not encourage wild fires to the extent that the grasses that have been brought in the past 100+ years for cattle grazing that have largely replaced the natives.

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I hear you, however almost every single place on earth inhabited by humans and their animals are no longer native.

You cannot regenerate/restore a piece of barren land that were consistently overgrazed by cattle on big scale and in a short time without the help of pioneer species. These species are more often then not, "non-native", used to get the system going and then eradicated once the system is back in balance.

Karoo Permaculture said:

I hear you, however almost every single place on earth inhabited by humans and their animals are no longer native.

You cannot regenerate/restore a piece of barren land that were consistently overgrazed by cattle on big scale and in a short time without the help of pioneer species. These species are more often then not, "non-native", used to get the system going and then eradicated once the system is back in balance.

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if the land is already destroyed and natives are gone for miles around then that is a much different situation - in that case i would look into getting a mix of prairie grasslands species.