Cheese Making Workshop (here ya go, OFG!)

Bethanial

Lovin' The Homestead
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
583
Reaction score
0
Points
84
Location
South/Central Georgia
Led by Raven Ray, he made mozzarella - well, he wanted to, but had a milk fail. We all loved it, though, b/c it showed that even the experts can still have issues! We only had 1-1/2 hrs b/c of all the other stuff going on this day (South Georgia Growing Local Conference).

Seriously, their cows dried up, so he had to get the raw milk from a totally new source. He'd made one batch of mozzarella ahead of time, hoping to show us how to make ricotta, also, but had to spend so much time futzing with the other he explained how to make ricotta instead. He even doubled the rennet and still no curd!

We got to see (and play with if desired) pulling the mozzarella (from batch he made ahead of time), and OH! it tasted so yummy!!!! He shared that if you're not eating it right away, once you've got it stretched, then kinda "tuck" it into a ball for pretty presentation, but then set it in a bowl of ice water to set/hold the shape - otherwise, it'll flatten back out. It'll still taste just fine, but it looks better :)

I also learned why you see mozz and ricotta together in so many Italian dishes (and you seasoned cheese-makers prolly already know this, but I didn't) is because the ricotta is a by-product of making mozz! He does salt the whey a bit before stretching the mozz. Unless his wife tells him not to because she wants to use the ricotta to make cheesecake. :lol:

He does make the mozz one batch at a time (one gallon of milk per recipe), and then takes the whey from two batches to make ricotta. Out of 2 gallons + 1 qt of milk he averages 3 lbs of cheese - 2 mozz, and 1 ricotta. While not necessary, when he makes the ricotta, he adds 1 qt of milk to the whey; Raven said he finds it produces a slightly creamier/smoother end product. And since they have cows and the cost of milk isn't an issue, this is how he does it. But he emphasized that the added quart isn't necessary, but also not to expect quite as much ricotta.

As I said in the other post, his go-to book is Ricki Carrol's Cheesemaking; he had others, but recommends this one if it's the only one you can get. Ummmm (I didn't actually take notes, trying to remember what all I heard), he prefers liquid rennet to tablets, but said that could be because he started out using the liquid so it's what he knows. He does order his citric acid from Ricki's website (cheesemaking.com, I think), and says it lasts forever. Emphasized that the 30-minute Mozzarella recipe is NOT for goat's milk; need to use a different recipe for goat's milk. Also that the fastest he's ever made that 30-minute mozz (his go-to recipe) is 1-1/2 hours (this was a question somebody asked). Another question he answered - he's never used vegetable rennet, so couldn't give his opinion on that.

That's all my brain is releasing right now :p If I remember more, I'll add to this. Enjoy :)
 

ohiofarmgirl

Sipping Bacon Martinis
Joined
Aug 18, 2009
Messages
5,488
Reaction score
0
Points
189
GREAT work, Bethanial!

and how fun for you that you went
:)

and ah-HA! i've been trying to use the 30min mozz with goat milk.. and didnt get very good results. and i havent had good results from the ricotta either so i'll look for a goat recipe.. i'm doing something wrong.

what i loved is that you said why mozz and ricotta is made together and how great it is that the last little bit of food value is squeezed out.

them old timers sure knew a thing or two!

THANKS!
:)
 

Bethanial

Lovin' The Homestead
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
583
Reaction score
0
Points
84
Location
South/Central Georgia
OH! And there's still nutritional value in the leftover whey after making even the ricotta. Use it in bread-baking (he didn't specify in place of all or some of milk or water), or feed it to the critters :)

Forgot to put actual details in there! Citric acid dissolved in water was added to milk, and it was brought to a temp. Then rennet, also in water, was added, and another temp was reached. Didn't actually get to see it form curds. Temp taken with thermometer actually about 1/2-way down in the pan, since you can't stir after it starts forming curds, and the temp at the top (in the curds) will be different from lower down (in the whey). From previously made batch, the curds had been strained into a metal colander and whey collected. Whey heated up to some temp (this is what I get for NOT taking notes) and salted lightly, then mozz dipped and stretched until you get "a nice stretch." He defined "a nice stretch" as when it will pull pretty much as long as your arms will stretch and then double over without/very minimal breakage. Then you dip it and stretch it once more, then shape it.

For ricotta, whey heated up to either 205* or 210*, and I don't remember the rest of the "cooking" details - but then strained and hung up in cheesecloth (good tight-weave stuff, not thin stuff) - he uses a rubber band and a cabinet knob over a bowl, then curds GENTLY scraped out of cheesecloth b/c it's gonna collect in all those nooks and crannies and not just the bottom.

OFG - he didn't specify WHICH recipe, but he did say there was another recipe in that book for goat's milk mozzarella.
 

ohiofarmgirl

Sipping Bacon Martinis
Joined
Aug 18, 2009
Messages
5,488
Reaction score
0
Points
189
gotcha

i think i tried a goat mozz and it was really 'squeaky'.. so it was kinda weird.

dang. i need a cow.

;-)
 

freemotion

Food Guru
Joined
Jan 1, 2009
Messages
10,817
Reaction score
90
Points
317
Location
Southwick, MA
My goat's milk mozzarella (Fias Co Farm recipe) was not squeeky, but I got WAY more failures (wouldn't stretch) than successes as far as mozzarella is concerned...but the failures were delicious for snacking on like you would string cheese, without the stringiness. It gets more flavorful after a few days in the fridge.
 

Blackbird

Goat Whisperer
Joined
Mar 28, 2009
Messages
3,461
Reaction score
2
Points
154
Location
Many-snow-ta
Raven Ray?

Say, has anyone heard of 'Goats Produce Too'?
It's on my list for the Holidays. i think it is written by someone someone Toth. All about goat milk goodies!
 

Bethanial

Lovin' The Homestead
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
583
Reaction score
0
Points
84
Location
South/Central Georgia
Blackbird said:
Raven Ray?

Say, has anyone heard of 'Goats Produce Too'?
It's on my list for the Holidays. i think it is written by someone someone Toth. All about goat milk goodies!
Just a south GA local, he and his wife have a small farm, and selling cheese and leading cheese making workshops are one of the ways they bring in income...

That book sounds nifty!
 

freemotion

Food Guru
Joined
Jan 1, 2009
Messages
10,817
Reaction score
90
Points
317
Location
Southwick, MA
Can I ask what they charged for a 1.5 hour workshop? Did you just watch, or make cheese yourselves, too? Was it in their home kitchen?

(getting ideas....)
 

Bethanial

Lovin' The Homestead
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
583
Reaction score
0
Points
84
Location
South/Central Georgia
sorry - got last name wrong - it's Waters, not Ray (brain fart, I guess :/)

This was done in a kitchen not their own (which drove him NUTS), but he talked like most of his demonstrations would be in his home kitchen. He didn't give an idea of what he charged for the workshop - as this was done for the conference I was attending. Also that what he normally does at his home is more like 4-5 hours to show the full process of milk to mozz to ricotta.

We mostly just watched, but were given the opportunity to stretch the cheese; fyi - microwave was not used, he heated the whey on the stovetop and dipped the curd in. We also got to taste the cheese - YUM!

The entire full-day event was on a sliding fee scale of $10-$30, depending on what each person could afford. At the end, in discussing options for "growing more growers" and being more self-sufficient, earning income, etc, he specifically mentioned doing workshops like this from your home, but use the sliding fee scale. You'll get more people (and therefore more income) by doing the sliding fee. But this was also addressed to our very rural area, where $$ are thought about before being spent. If you're an area where people are more well-off, you might not do the sliding scale, or just not advertise it ;)

Hope this helped :)
 
Top