ADVENTURE'S DOWNUNDER OR FARMING IN PARADISE:An Old Rams view.

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Gday Ram, How are those d pigs been getting on your land? I know you are fenced and you havent mentioned repairing fence which I know pigs can break down very easily? What are they rooting for? I know they love to root but they must be finding something to do the job you mention. Our wild pigs will tear up the land if they find something to root for, otherwise they move on. I know it is easy to second guess you from a distance but I feel that I am missing something.
Fair enough on the spraying if it works for you. I used to use a long handled [self made handle]paint brush to just put a dab of herbicide on weeds growing in my flower garden when I wanted no risk to the good plants growing close to them. I generally used a broad spectrum herbicide that would kill roots.
Eye- darned if I know, at a very early age I discovered that I couldnt close that eye without closing the other eye so I never was much good at sighting a gun. I tested better than normal while growing up. When I was about 50 I noticed that there was something wrong with my depth vision and spent $ thousands on different specialists trying to find the cause and how to fix it. When all was said and done the doctor told me that I had a bubble of fluid under my retina so my lens of my eye couldnt focus on it an operation had a 50% chance of fixing it and 50% chance of losing all vision in that eye. He gave me the choice and I asked what he would do if it was his eye. He said nothing if it gets worse you can have the same operation later, sometimes they get better by themselves. You still have good side vision in the eye why risk it Now it varies with my blood pressure and how much I am hydrated. I keep six different sets of reading glasses and use the ones that work. My everyday glasses allow me to drive but I dont trust my depth judgment and drive with caution.
Shoot on the US meat sheep industry just keep in mind that I am not a stockman and my main interest is in markets not production. Back to pigs we tend to use bait in two ways, one is to attract as into a trap the other is to add poison to the bait to kill what is attracted. I meant to use salt in the first meaning, to attract the pigs to be shot. On your warming thing did you ever think of an electric Wrap somewhat like a small electric blanket or a huge heating pad? On the ones used here you can set the thermostat higher than a blanket so you can treat most of your aching joints at the same time. ~gd
 

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G'day gang ,how'yer'goin?I dont know how lng I will last tonight ,I am really worn out.

Tuesday:Well this morning was another freezer,-5C and a huge fog,after "breekie" when the temp had got to +4C I went over to light a heap of branches and logs and stuff, it took about an hour for it to burn down so it was safe to leave and go and do some more "spraying" (Scotch Thistles).I had a quick look at yesterdays effort and they are looking decidedly "unhappy " after only 24 hrs. Here's the thing it seems that if while the Thistle is still at the "rosette stage"all the spray is held on the leaves and no injury is caused to the grasses underneath (which the thistle is trying to crush),in the end the thistle just whither's up to nothing and the grass underneath starts growing normally........I took another look at the damage left by the pigs,its worse that it first appeared and is going to take ages to level out again .The worst part is that it has left large areas of "bare soil"and next year it will be a "weed Haven"........Had a quick check of the ewe's and lambs,then took Ruby to get the 3 un-shorn sheep and pop them in with another group as one of them is a ewe who is in lamb ,I will just have to shear them later......................As an aside can anyone direct me to a site which will explain "Idle Lands funding" in the US.I saw the term somewhere and would like a little more "info".

Q & A ;.~GD. Well it looks like its just you and me again!The pigs usually go though the fences through gaps left by "roo's and wombats",I wish I knew what they were digging for as well,but if I catch up with them it will be a cross between "ethnic cleansing and a slaughter house",there will be NO mercy shown.......On the thistles I use a agent along with a"wetting agent" which is absorbed through the leaves,on the Serrated Tussock the agent acts only on the roots and is washed out of the soil after about 30mm of rain........I think I was so cold last night after being out waiting for the pigs,but my "woolly electric blanket" soon fixed me up. ......That's a real "bummer" about your sight though and those 6 pairs of glasses would drive me "crazy'........The sheep thing will be all about attitudes to marketing and consumer satisfaction with the product they purchase and how different we approach it from a production standpoint ( but not tonight ,I'm just to tied)

So enough for tonight "catch" you all tomorrow night,our best wishes .............T.O.R...............................
 

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Gday Ram, short answer with maybe another post later, today is my shopping day, and I have already wasted 2hours waiting for and talking to people about finally doing repairs from the 4/16 tornado. The two links below I think is what you were asking about "Idle Lands funding" there may well be other programs that pay for not producing on our farms. The first one is the old program and the second one links to it. There are links to all types of farm rules. Anything in blue is a link or an explanation. Place your cursor on it and click. You can get back with your back arrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_Bank_Program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_Reserve_Program
I may post again later. ~gd
 

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G'day gang,we are so glad you could "pop" by again and visit....It's cold and "horrible" outside so I'm getting an early start on the journal.

Wednesday:Wow, what a "frost" this morning,it looked like it had "snowed" overnight the lawn was so white when we got up.I think I must have "knocked myself up"yesterday trying to get over the "pig damage".So me thinks a few easy jobs might be the "go".First sharpen one of the saws and load up the gear .Jenny wanted a heap of rubbish brought down and "burnt",so two trailer loads later it was all stacked near where we burn near the shearing shed.But by then the wind had got up and it was to "risky".

So what can I do with myself ?I know I will mix up a load of that compost and spread it on that bare patch from the photo's.It took no time at all to fill the trailer with mix and off we went (me and the dogs).I spread it all and next time down there when I have the camera I will take a pic for the records......So then the dogs and I went down to see if they had been back last night,NO, thank God. .....Back to the shed and feed the dogs and give myself an early mark.(might go and have a little look at the ewe's after this though).

Q & A:..~GD..Thanks for those links ,I heard somewhere that your Gov actually pay farmers not to plant crops,but from a quick look at those sites it may have been the case,years ago...So how did you get on with the repair men?..

DL:I know there are visitors out there ,but they are like "ghosts",I know they are there but they don't ever "say" anything...By the way how is your "hubby" now?

NC:Hi ,hope you are all recovered from your "blue patch"?We have had almost NO rain,just frost and wind,but sunny days,I see by the weather maps that you have been really "copping it" down there...Our problem seems to be that the Hydro is cloud seeding for "snow" so they can get more water to sell to the irrigation people in the summer.They are plain stealing our winter rainfall even though they deny it,here's the thing the rain only "falls" once,if they get it as "snow" there is NO way we will get it as rain.

I am working my way up to the meat sheep thing ,now that this is done I might log on later tonight and open up this "can of worms",as I understand its a pretty "hot " subject up there with your producers.so til later (maybe) ,hope its cooled down a little for you all......................T.O.R............................
 

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Thanks for thinking of him. They only kept hubby for one night. Hubby's angiogram showed his stint was still clear and heart was okay but his lab work showed he was really low on potassium. They gave him a bunch of potassium and changed his meds. He seems to be improving.

I spent a nervous evening last night. The air pressure here was been keeping the rain away and roasting us lately but it finally started to move. The upper part of the state got some good (or bad) storms.
We were on the bottom edge of that line. Good conditions to form tornadoes. I spent a while watching the radar, and finally slept in my clothes in case we needed to get to the basement in a hurry. We got some crazy winds, but not the rain.

I used to almost never post responses on forums. I was there to learn about the subject and saved communication for e-mailing people I knew. When I started knowing more about the crowd on here- they started feeling like friends and I started posting. Then I had a crisis- and asked for help. Got a bunch of replies- some helpful and others just trying to "be there for me". I felt like part of the family since.

Glad the pigs have moved on for now.

BTW- I actually saw a leg of lamb in the local store's freezer the other day. It seemed kinda small and was still marked $ 35.00. Whew! Very expensive. I should have checked to see how what the weight was.
 

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Wednesday cont:Well we are back,

THE CHAT:A casual comment by ~gd re US lamb is the basis for the chat.I think a little background may be in order first.
Aust Pop 20 million USA Pop 250 million
Aus Sheep flock 70 million USA Sheep flock 3 million

I gather that the USA sheep flock has been about this number for many years now,where as the Aus sheep flock 20 yrs ago was 150 million,this was at the end on the Wool Floor Price Scheme.At this time the Aus Gov had a of stockpile of wool estimated in today's $s @ $20 billion.The wool bales if laid end to end would have stretched from Sydney to Perth and half way back again,it took 10 years to clear this stockpile.In the meantime to reduce production the Gov paid farmers to shoot older sheep to reduce the production of wool.

So began the wholesale move into Sheep-meat production by Aussie farmers,using the Merino ewe as a basis, she was crossed with Border Leicester,Poll Dorset and later the White Suffolk to produce even lines of Prime Meat lambs.These crosses produce a consistent carcass with predictable taste characteristic 's.Where as the USA with a wider choice of breeds and gene pool could not and still can not present a uniform carcass and taste profile to the US consumer........The Aus flock has not been this small for over 100 yrs,but the reputation for quality and retail cost continues to grow .For example we export live to the Middle East the equivalent of the whole US flock each year and this is just one market we have developed,in the beginning if was a "rough and ready affair",but now the criteria is so narrow that producers have to breed just for this market to gain acceptance........The cost of sheep production in Aus is comparable to any country in the world(IMO).The costs and acceptance by consumers in the US has led to a steady decline in US production,many of the old large scale producers have left the industry and have not been replaced by farmers who operate on the same scale,but have been replaced by smaller producers who "direct market " there products.This has led to a reduced offering at "sale barns" and processing plants,forcing many operations to close and so supply to retail stores has declined also..........At the retail level the consumer has NO guarantee that the "lamb " purchased this week will be the same next week and it only takes "one bad experience"on the part of the consumer to lose any chance of a future sale.Adding to the problem is that as much as 30% of the population have "never" tried lamb to begin with........Where as the Aussie/NZ product almost guarantee that the "cooking and eating experience" will be the same week on week.
With your wide ethnic population the the production of sheep-meat for a profit should be a "given".Of the principal drawbacks your range of "predators" and the amount of time you have to "hand-feed" during your Winter,these can have a huge impact on profitability.
It seems that the popularity of 4H sheep projects is not able to be taken advantage of in "real" sheep production due to the unreal prices paid for the 4H lambs which is not translated into commercial sheep-meat sales.

I cannot believe that in a country your size that land cannot be found and "fenced" with a temperate climate and suitable soils ,on which sustainable and profitable sheep production can take place.There appears to be some very progressive breeders over there who have/or are developing Hair Breed Composites,which have lower input costs than the traditional Dual Purpose Breeds.It seems to me that its just a case of identifying your "local" target market and producing to that market ,and in doing so you build a loyal customer base that will reward you with a profitable outcome.It gets back to researching the "available market" and breeding an animal which "suits " the local environment...................Once again its in the planing,remember the quote"If you fail to plan,you plan to fail".

I hope the above has given you some "food" for thought,even if your SS dreams only extend to providing your own needs into the future.It has been my experience that people that begin down the path of SS dream of that little "farm"away from the "maddening crowd",where life travels at a more sedate pace........................T.O.R......................................
 

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Gday Ram, I am not going to try to tell a man my own age how to farm, But would not making sure your fences are strong and tight be your first priority on the pig problem? What about seeding the places that were rooted up with a plant that could compete with the weeds. Here we like to use something called Austrian [not Australian] field peas. They are supposed to be able to fix Nitrogen in their roots, are one of the first out of the ground in late winter but die off in the first heat often before they set seeds [~60 days after sprouting] they are an annual veining plant much like sweet peas grown for the blooms or the English garden pea grown for the pod fruit. They tend to shade out anything that gets started later than them and climb and overwhelm any vertical weed. Most chop the dead vines for surface compost. But my geese tended to eat them to the ground if I turned the geese loose before the vines dried up. Of course I have no idea if the seeds are available there. Btw if you bag some of those pigs will you eat them or will they become dog meat?
Eyes the glasses drive me mad; I can never find the pair that I need to read. That is why I do most of my reading on the computer where I can change the print size if I need to.

Sheep I have never seen Mutton for sale, only Lamb and than a leg, a rack, or the ribs from the rack. It is considered a luxury meat that most cooks really dont know how to cook properly. Most markets carry only a small amount since it may not move before it is outdated. The day before it outdates it get cut to half price, and I might buy it then if cheaper than beef. Makes a nice strange chili.

Soil Bank its real purpose was to cut production to support prices. When the Cold War ended and the USSR broke up we could sell grain there and then of course China became a customer too. I can write a lot more if you are interested. Now they still pay to keep land out of production but it is much more tied to environmental rather than economic reasons.

Repair men the sales woman was a dingbat and I was about to look for another firm until a actual worker finally showed up who seemed to know what he was talking about. Now I am waiting for an estimate and other paperwork. Im in a fight with my insurance company; they dropped me due to excessive claims. Two claims in 3 years are excessive. Like I could have done anything to stop or prevent a tornado? 28 years they did nothing but take my money, and then drop me without warning because of a claim? I am really angry about the whole mess.
Ghosts are known as lurkers on these internet forums. They hope someone will answer the questions that they dont have the confidence to post. Either they learn enough and go away or enough to ask what they really want to know. ~gd
 
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