Coconut oil questions

[FarmerChick]

OK, I'll confess to being thoroughly confused???

Can't I just eat what I want if I'm using it up and burning off energy as fast as I take it in? (this is a hypothetical question, and if one were to look at me, it's obvious I don't burn it off as fast as I take in.)

I'm just saying, er asking, if a person is active all the time i.e. physical labor, excercise, etc. and not being setidentary (sp?) but might have a high matabolism....is it possible that they could be burning it up as fast as they take it in???

If a person is eating healthy, all natural foods, would the sugar and fats still matter????

I honestly want to know, because I can't seem to wrap my brain around this stuff, or understand what ya'll are meaning.

No one can eat whatever they want and just burn it up and "say" they are healthy..........and it is so personal to each body.

You could be burning it up as fast as you "take it in" but what is the damage it is doing to the cells, organs, etc. etc. on "what you are eating"

If you are eating healthy usually, have some sugar treats, exercise etc....then yea I would say you are doing so much better than most icky diet menus out there..LOL

It is a matter of moderation mostly and there are so many variables if you overindulge on any foods, that being "in balance" with natural foods is the best we can hope to eat.....at least I try for that mostly..HA HA

Hmm..that is more confusing probably....but I know if you a SS and work hard with the farm then you are probably doing it right..LOL

 

[FarmerChick]

I'm with you, QA. I'm just going to focus on the idea to eat in as natural a form as possible and avoid refined and processed things... honey over white sugar, whole wheat over white flour, olive oil over processed canola, pork over bacon, butter over margarine. And maybe I'll try to remember to only heat olive oil and meat fats. Maybe I got that right

Inchy

You got it Inchy
do the best you can for your body....payback in the long run is worth it

every individual physique is different, every body functions different. Know yourself by maybe being sure when visitng the Dr. to get some bloodwork and cholesterol numbers and all that. Doesn't hurt to know where you stand......

 

[Quail_Antwerp]

but I know if you a SS and work hard with the farm then you are probably doing it right..LOL

Well, we're trying. Definitely always something to do here, it's a 24/7 job with a farm....but I'm preaching to the choir telling you that! I think I'd be ready to collapse at the end of the day if I had the farm you have!!!

We eat three meals a day. I try to include meat for protein in at least 1 meal a day. Breakfast could be anything from cold cereal (I detest it, kids love it) with milk, but I insist they eat bananas or some other fruit with it to pancakes with sausage or eggs and bacon with toast...Lunch might be a huge salad with no dressing or light dressing or some sort of sandwiches. Dinner is usually some form of meat, with two vegetable side dishes, and occassionally cookies or cake for dessert, but that's rare.

Then there's the in between meal snacks...I try to make that fruit or crackers and cheese with a glass of juice or milk or water. Doesn't always end up being that.

We try to not buy a lot of junk foods, period, but I'll be the first one to confess to having a bad sweet tooth. I end up baking cookies a lot!

I make mine eat a lot of foods that are either steam cooked or raw. My kids love raw green beans, raw peas, etc thanks to us having grown our own for several years, and I make my kids try it.

We do eat fried foods, but if I can steam it or grill it, that's usually the route I go.

Hmmm...just got hungry for corn on the cob baked in hot coals.........slathered with butter...............

 

[FarmerChick]

but I know if you a SS and work hard with the farm then you are probably doing it right..LOL

Well, we're trying. Definitely always something to do here, it's a 24/7 job with a farm....but I'm preaching to the choir telling you that! I think I'd be ready to collapse at the end of the day if I had the farm you have!!!

We eat three meals a day. I try to include meat for protein in at least 1 meal a day. Breakfast could be anything from cold cereal (I detest it, kids love it) with milk, but I insist they eat bananas or some other fruit with it to pancakes with sausage or eggs and bacon with toast...Lunch might be a huge salad with no dressing or light dressing or some sort of sandwiches. Dinner is usually some form of meat, with two vegetable side dishes, and occassionally cookies or cake for dessert, but that's rare.

Then there's the in between meal snacks...I try to make that fruit or crackers and cheese with a glass of juice or milk or water. Doesn't always end up being that.

We try to not buy a lot of junk foods, period, but I'll be the first one to confess to having a bad sweet tooth. I end up baking cookies a lot!

I make mine eat a lot of foods that are either steam cooked or raw. My kids love raw green beans, raw peas, etc thanks to us having grown our own for several years, and I make my kids try it.

We do eat fried foods, but if I can steam it or grill it, that's usually the route I go.

Hmmm...just got hungry for corn on the cob baked in hot coals.........slathered with butter...............

QA if that is what you guys are doing, then yea, you have a good handle on eating good!!!!!

Everyone is going to have treats, especially kids...LOL---but with the raw veggies and salads and all, that is as good as it gets to me!!

and the corn---YUMMO---you have me wanting corn now..HA HA

I hate cereal also but Tony and Nicole eat some.....ICKY for me, but yummy now and then for them...HA HA----BUT in general, keep the eating clean and you can't go truly wrong in this age of fast food and gunk....

I am a fruit snacker also!

 

[Quail_Antwerp]

I love fruit!!! Grapes and mandarin oranges!!! Yum-o!

 

[Lovechooks]

I have been taking information from Australian sources when talking about saturated fats as was thinking perhaps it's totally different over there and for some crazy reason your heart disease isn't caused by saturated fats as in some casees it is over here. But it is, I am stunned that people think it's not?? So this time Iv used an American site. I know 2 sources were quoted on the other thread that fats don't course problems but it's worldwide fact that it does. Don't kid yourselves youcan't just eat anything then burn it off.

There are good fats, they come from nut sources avacardos and olive oils NOT saturated fats - There is some merit to coconut oils it is recent information here is it's composition;

Composition: Coconut oil consists of more than ninety percent of saturated fats (Dont panic! First read to the last word. Your opinion may change), with traces of few unsaturated fatty acids, such as monounsaturated fatty acids and polyunsaturated fatty acids. Virgin Coconut Oil is no different from this. Let us have a bit detailed study of this.

The Saturated Fatty Acids: Most of them are Medium Chain Triglycerides, which are supposed to assimilate well. Lauric Acid is the chief contributor, with more than forty percent of the share, followed by Capric Acid, Caprylic Acid, Myristic Acid and Palmitic.
The Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids: Linoleic Acid.
The Monounsaturated Fatty Acids: Oleic Acid.
The Poly-phenols: Gallic Acid, which is phenolic acid. These poly-phenols are supposed to be responsible for the fragrance and the taste of Coconut Oil and Virgin Coconut Oil is rich in these poly-phenols.
Certain derivatives of fatty acid like Betaines, Ethanolamide, Ethoxylates, Fatty Esters, Fatty Polysorbates, Monoglycerides and Polyol Esters.
Fatty Chlorides, Fatty Alcohol Sulphate and Fatty Alcohol Ether Sulphate, all of which are derivatives of Fatty Alcohols.
Vitamins (predominantly Vitamin-E) and minerals.
A bit of moisture.


Fat


AHA Scientific Position
The major kinds of fats in the foods we eat are saturated, polyunsaturated, monounsaturated and trans fatty acids. Saturated fats and trans fats raise blood cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol also raises blood cholesterol. A high level of cholesterol in the blood is a major risk factor for coronary heart disease, which leads to heart attack, and also increases the risk of stroke.

AHA Recommendation

Limit foods high in saturated fat, trans fat and/or cholesterol, such as whole-milk dairy products, fatty meats, tropical oils, partially hydrogenated vegetable oils and egg yolks. Instead choose foods low in saturated fat, trans fat and cholesterol. Here are some helpful tips:

Eat a variety of fruits and vegetables.
Eat a variety of grain products, including whole grains.
Eat fish at least twice a week, particularly fatty fish.
Include fat-free and low-fat milk products, legumes (beans), skinless poultry and lean meats.
Choose fats and oils such as liquid and tub margarines, canola, corn, safflower, soy bean and olive oils.

Saturated fat intake should not exceed 7 percent of total calories each day. Trans fat intake should not exceed 1 percent of total calories each day.

Total fat intake (saturated, trans, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated) should be adjusted to fit total caloric needs. Overweight people should consume no more than 30 percent of total calories from fat.
What are saturated fatty acids?

Saturated fatty acids have all the hydrogen the carbon atoms can hold. Saturated fats are usually solid at room temperature, and they're more stable that is, they don't combine readily with oxygen. Saturated fats and trans fats are the main dietary factors in raising blood cholesterol. The main sources of saturated fat in the typical American diet are foods from animals and some plants.

What are trans fats?
Trans fats are unsaturated, but they can raise total and LDL ("bad") cholesterol and lower HDL ("good") cholesterol. Trans fats result from adding hydrogen to vegetable oils used in commercial baked goods and for cooking in most restaurants and fast-food chains.

Cookies, crackers and other commercial baked goods made with partially hydrogenated vegetable oils may be high in trans fat.

French fries, donuts and other commercial fried foods are major sources of trans fat in the diet.

Fats That Raise Cholesterol
Sources
Examples

Dietary cholesterol
foods from animals
meats, egg yolks, dairy products, organ meats (heart, etc.), fish and poultry

Saturated fats
foods from animals
whole milk, cream, ice cream, whole-milk cheeses, butter, lard and meats

certain plant oils
palm, palm kernel and coconut oils, cocoa butter

Trans fats
partially hydrogenated vegetable oils
cookies, crackers, cakes, French fries, fried onion rings, donuts


What are hydrogenated fats?

During food processing, fats may undergo a chemical process called hydrogenation. "Hydrogenate" means to add hydrogen or, in the case of fatty acids, to saturate. The process changes a liquid oil, naturally high in unsaturated fatty acids, to a more solid and more saturated form. The greater the degree of hydrogenation, the more saturated the fat becomes. Many commercial products contain hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated vegetable oils. Recent studies suggest that these fats may raise blood cholesterol. The fatty acid content of most margarines and spreads is printed on the package or label. Liquid and soft tub margarines contain little saturated fat or trans fat.

What are polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fatty acids?

Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fatty acids are two types of unsaturated fatty acids. Unsaturated fats have at least one unsaturated bond that is, at least one place that hydrogen can be added to the molecule. They're often found in liquid oils of vegetable origin.

Polyunsaturated oils are liquid at room temperature and in the refrigerator. They easily combine with oxygen in the air to become rancid. Common sources of polyunsaturated fats are listed in the table below.

Monounsaturated oils are liquid at room temperature but start to solidify at refrigerator temperatures. See the table below for sources.
Polyunsaturated fats tend to help your body get rid of newly formed cholesterol. Thus, they keep the blood cholesterol level down and reduce cholesterol deposits in artery walls. Recent research has shown that monounsaturated fats may also help reduce blood cholesterol as long as the diet is very low in saturated fat.

Both types of unsaturated fats may help lower your blood cholesterol level when used in place of saturated fats in your diet. But you should be moderate in eating all types of fat, because fats contain more than twice the calories of either protein or carbohydrate.

Polyunsaturated or monounsaturated oils and margarines and spreads made from them should be used in limited amounts in place of fats with a high saturated fat content, such as butter, lard or hydrogenated shortenings.


Fats That Lower Cholesterol
Sources
Examples

Polyunsaturated fats
certain plant oils
safflower, sesame, soy, corn and sunflower-seed oils, nuts and seeds

Monounsaturated fats
certain plant oils
olive, canola and peanut oils, avocados

 

[freemotion]

Love ya, truly, LC, and a few short years ago I would've agreed heartily with you, but.....

AHA.....This is the same resource that ok'd the use of hydrogenated fats not that long ago. When Dr Enig was screaming about the dangers of hydrogenated fats, and was considered to be a wingnut. Veg fats, like Crisco, are GOOD for you! And your heart! Not!

She was right, EVERYONE else was wrong. The "official" position on something in this country is often serving the interest of some multi-billion dollar industry. Case in point: It is finally a well-accepted fact that trans fats/hydrogenated fats are very bad for you. Yet they are still in almost every product on the market today, and still used in restaurants....don't be fooled by headlines such as NY being trans fat free in the restaurants....there are so many loopholes, it is a big joke.

Many studies used to "prove" some of the claims were poorly designed or boldly skewed. In almost all of the studies, the diets were poor in many ways, and all the ill effects on health were blamed on the saturated fats. Yet the participants were still taking in refined foods and trans fats.

I have very much enjoyed studying the work of Dr. Price, and the in-depth study he did of isolated groups of people who were extremely healthy and untouched by modern foods. When some moved away and lived "modern" lives, their children's health plummeted. It was not "good genetics." It was proper nutrition from BEFORE conception and on.

When modern foods started making it into these communities, the deterioration happened very quickly. Just a little of the refined foods caused major structural problems in the children, if mom ate junk during pregnancy, and then fed these displacing foods to the children.

All the peoples Dr. Price studied include animal foods in their diets. There were eleven commonalities that he identified. It is fascinating stuff.

And it is a healthy way of eating that is actually delicious and satisfying.

My cholesterol numbers are perfect. A little over 200 but the ratio of good to bad is wonderfully balanced. DH dropped over 100 pts when we switched over. His ratio is good now, too. We eat plenty of saturated fats, a little olive oil, and almost no veg oil. And sugar is a rare treat, that made a huge difference.

I will eat as many as 4-6 eggs in a day, whole milk with the cream, butter, chicken with the skin ON, butter on my veggies, grease the pans with animal fat, etc. Grains are a small, small portion of our diet....maybe a slice or two of bread each day, or the equivilent in pasta, rice, crackers, whatever. Sugar is a rare treat....did I say that already? I normally eat 9-12 servings of veggies and fruit per day.

I am thin. I am pushing almost 47 years old. My health has turned around, and continues to improve the longer I eat this way and the more of Dr. Price's eleven principles I incorporate into my daily habits.

 

[Wifezilla]

There are good fats, they come from nut sources avacardos and olive oils NOT saturated fats

Wrong wrong wrong wrong

" Numerous surveys of traditional populations have yielded information that is an embarrassment to the Diet Dictocrats. For example, a study comparing Jews when they lived in Yemen, whose diets contained fats solely of animal origin, to Yemenite Jews living in Israel, whose diets contained margarine and vegetable oils, revealed little heart disease or diabetes in the former group but high levels of both diseases in the latter.14 (The study also noted that the Yemenite Jews consumed no sugar but those in Israel consumed sugar in amounts equaling 25-30% of total carbohydrate intake.) A comparison of populations in northern and southern India revealed a similar pattern. People in northern India consume 17 times more animal fat but have an incidence of coronary heart disease seven times lower than people in southern India.15 The Masai and kindred tribes of Africa subsist largely on milk, blood and beef. They are free from coronary heart disease and have excellent blood cholesterol levels.16 Eskimos eat liberally of animal fats from fish and marine animals. On their native diet they are free of disease and exceptionally hardy.17 An extensive study of diet and disease patterns in China found that the region in which the populace consumes large amounts of whole milk had half the rate of heart disease as several districts in which only small amounts of animal products are consumed.18 Several Mediterranean societies have low rates of heart disease even though fat-including highly saturated fat from lamb, sausage and goat cheese-comprises up to 70% of their caloric intake. The inhabitants of Crete, for example, are remarkable for their good health and longevity.19 A study of Puerto Ricans revealed that, although they consume large amounts of animal fat, they have a very low incidence of colon and breast cancer.20 A study of the long-lived inhabitants of Soviet Georgia revealed that those who eat the most fatty meat live the longest.21 In Okinawa, where the average life span for women is 84 years-longer than in Japan-the inhabitants eat generous amounts of pork and seafood and do all their cooking in lard.22 None of these studies is mentioned by those urging restriction of saturated fats.

The relative good health of the Japanese, who have the longest life span of any nation in the world, is generally attributed to a lowfat diet. Although the Japanese eat few dairy fats, the notion that their diet is low in fat is a myth; rather, it contains moderate amounts of animal fats from eggs, pork, chicken, beef, seafood and organ meats. With their fondness for shellfish and fish broth, eaten on a daily basis, the Japanese probably consume more cholesterol than most Americans. What they do not consume is a lot of vegetable oil, white flour or processed food (although they do eat white rice.) The life span of the Japanese has increased since World War II with an increase in animal fat and protein in the diet.23 Those who point to Japanese statistics to promote the lowfat diet fail to mention that the Swiss live almost as long on one of the fattiest diets in the world. Tied for third in the longevity stakes are Austria and Greece-both with high-fat diets.24

As a final example, let us consider the French. Anyone who has eaten his way across France has observed that the French diet is just loaded with saturated fats in the form of butter, eggs, cheese, cream, liver, meats and rich pats. Yet the French have a lower rate of coronary heart disease than many other western countries. In the United States, 315 of every 100,000 middle-aged men die of heart attacks each year; in France the rate is 145 per 100,000. In the Gascony region, where goose and duck liver form a staple of the diet, this rate is a remarkably low 80 per 100,000.25 This phenomenon has recently gained international attention as the French Paradox. (The French do suffer from many degenerative diseases, however. They eat large amounts of sugar and white flour and in recent years have succumbed to the timesaving temptations of processed foods.)

A chorus of establishment voices, including the American Cancer Society, the National Cancer Institute and the Senate Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs, claims that animal fat is linked not only with heart disease but also with cancers of various types. Yet when researchers from the University of Maryland analyzed the data they used to make such claims, they found that vegetable fat consumption was correlated with cancer and animal fat was not.26 "
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html#studies

 

[freemotion]

WZ, what you lack in tact you make up for in crazy nerd skilz!!!

 

[big brown horse]

Am I right when I add that heart attacks didn't start until the late 20's here in America..right about the time when we stopped eating homemade food and began to eat more store bought (mass produced and commercialized) foods?