Did you know that the average American consumes....

[freemotion]

My insurance accepts ND's on the same level as MD's. Although laws vary from state to state as to what ND's can do and not do (ordering tests, minor surgical procedures, etc), they are very well educated and their focus is not symptom treatment, but getting to the root of the person's symptoms and correcting that so that symptoms disappear. I've had far more success with ND care than MD care for some of my issues, especially allergies (extensive and severe, keeping me housebound at times) and serious digestive and "female" issues.

If I need pharmaceuticals or surgery, of course, I seek out the MDs, along with the NDs.

It is curious to me that so many resist the idea that the average American, eating highly processed foods (even store-bought milk is highly processed.....lab-created vitamin D and powdered milk was not added to the milk from my grandfather's cows, never mind pasteurizing and homogenizing) might take in about 3-4 ounces a week of harmful additives. Half an ounce a day. One tablespoon, approximately (.44 oz). I don't find that so hard to believe. I read labels when I'm in the store, just for kicks. Shocking, really.

 

[me&thegals]

Who's resisting the idea? I find it entirely believable, but I always feel better with the actual study in front of me rather than just believing it cuz someone said so, you know?

 

[miss_thenorth]

Well, you could get the book she is reading or you could google it. here is one link. http://www.common-sense-health.com/food-additives-chemicals . There are many others.

 

[~gd]

My insurance accepts ND's on the same level as MD's. Although laws vary from state to state as to what ND's can do and not do (ordering tests, minor surgical procedures, etc), they are very well educated and their focus is not symptom treatment, but getting to the root of the person's symptoms and correcting that so that symptoms disappear. I've had far more success with ND care than MD care for some of my issues, especially allergies (extensive and severe, keeping me housebound at times) and serious digestive and "female" issues.

If I need pharmaceuticals or surgery, of course, I seek out the MDs, along with the NDs.

It is curious to me that so many resist the idea that the average American, eating highly processed foods (even store-bought milk is highly processed.....lab-created vitamin D and powdered milk was not added to the milk from my grandfather's cows, never mind pasteurizing and homogenizing) might take in about 3-4 ounces a week of harmful additives. Half an ounce a day. One tablespoon, approximately (.44 oz). I don't find that so hard to believe. I read labels when I'm in the store, just for kicks. Shocking, really.

You seem to lump processed food in with chemical additives to that food. Pasturizing and homogenizing are physical processes that can be done without additives, granted additives can (and usually are) be used in the production of many of the products sold as "milk" today. Low fat, 1% 2% etc are prime examples of processed and doctored products. Because so much of modern man does not spend enough time in the sun to produce their own Vit D it is often added to the diet, sort of a trade off with skin cancer that can be caused by excessive sun exposure? And again it depends of what you consider 'chemical additives'. I sure as heck took in more than 10 pounds of sodium clhoride in my life to date, and there is calcium carbonate and a whole bunch more of simple inorganic chemicals. I give up, I refuse to spend more time debating with your mind set, chemicals = bad. Natural = good. ~gd

 

[freemotion]

Who's resisting the idea? I find it entirely believable, but I always feel better with the actual study in front of me rather than just believing it cuz someone said so, you know?

Not you, I didn't mean you......I like proof, too. I love studies. The book isn't about the studies, it is about diagnoses and treatment. I have a gazillion studies on a gazillion nutrition topics but that was a new statement to me and I found it fascinating. I figured a group of people striving to be more self-sufficient would also find it interesting.

But I personally didn't need back-up for that particular statement, since a minute and a half spent reading labels does it for me. I just thought it was interesting so I posted it.



Vitamin D is added to milk because the COWS don't go outside. You can get vitamin D from animal foods from many pastured animal products. Milk from cows on pasture was a great source, especially for city dwellers. Not anymore, as the majority of milk sold in this country comes from confined cows. Real food is the best source of bioavailable nutrients. I have no interest in debating this. I just wanted to discuss it. With like-minded people who are striving to be more self-sufficient and once in a while we come across something that is, in effect, a big pat on the back for all of us going through all the extra effort to improve the health of our families with real food.

Pat-pat-pat!

 

[moolie]

Um, sorry, where is it that dairy cows "don't go outside"? Certainly nowhere that I've ever lived. My uncle has a dairy farm and sells his milk to Dairyland, the biggest dairy producer in western Canada. His cows are very happy, thank you, and btw no dairy cow in Canada has ever been given growth hormone either--it's illegal here and always has been.

eta: Oh, and vitamin D is not naturally present in cow's milk in large amounts--it is most readily available in dietary form from fatty fish, beef liver, and eggs.

It is ADDED to milk because it works well with calcium in the human body, not because it was ever supposed to be there in the first place.

 

[miss_thenorth]

I am glad in western Canada the animals still go outside. Here, I have not seen dairy cows outside in upwards of 20 years. All dairy cows are inside barns, and the farmland that they used to graze on is now planted with corn. Pigs are not allowed outside either. Beef cattle graze up until just before slaughter time, and then they are in overcrowded feed lots ( and overcrowded is an understatement) for the last weeks of their life being gorged on grain. Sheep barns are now starting to go "indoors" also. Sad really.

 

[FarmerChick]

My best friend owns a dairy down the road. Milks around 120 all the time. All hers are outside. But she is one of the last small family dairies in the area.

Most dairies I believe do outside....but those big Agri corps are doing the big indoor robot diaries where the cows milk themselves. Wild what is happening in some areas of farming. Climate controlled and all that for max production.

 

[2dream]

Thanks for posting Free. I find it very interesting. With all the chemical coatings attached to the actual cans of commercially canned goods, not to mention the preservatives in the food, I am thinking 10 pounds is probably a conservative number for some people. Especially teenage boys who consum tons of junk food during their teen years. (Not that girls don't do the same but anyone with a teenage boy knows what I mean).

When my husbands ALS symptoms first started (way before a diagnosis) the very first thing he was checked for was chemical build up in his system. They questioned his lifestyle and I don't mean his current lifestyle. They questioned his drug, eating, drinking habits over his adult life. We were told then that some of the things that our food is packaged in and/or included in our food build up and cause damage, not to mention environmental chemicals that are inhaled or asorbed throuh our skin. After 3 months of test and searching for some type of chemical build up/problem they they then refered us to more "refined" specialist. And once again the neurologist revisited this area of thinking. Being a SS person made me question again why they kept asking about this issue. Again we were told because in todays world "It is an issue". (I won't go into the whole long draw out medical conversation). Of course getting the neurologist to open up was a challenge. We saw 50+/- one or two Doctors during the course of a year and the one thing that stands out in my mind is that each and everyone of them went straight to those test results first.

 

[freemotion]

Wow, 2dream! Exactly! It does build up, so "a little won't hurt/never killed anyone" is just not an accurate statement. ALS has some pretty nasty symptoms, so for 50 docs to look at chemical build-up in the body first says A LOT.