Epic Win!!

[dma1974]

Might I point out that price per gallon don't mean beans? It is cost per load that is important and if you can't beat a best seller or that basis, you should give it up and buy the best seller. They spend fortunes on Ads and couponds and add in the container cost and the freight and you aren't playing on a level field. One trick of the trade is to start out with about 1/2 the recommonded amount, that will do quite well on normal loads, only on the really dirty stuff use more but not more than the recommended amount, that would just be a waste.

I don't know how you do math, but 1 + 1 is always 2, and so on. It comes out the same no matter how you slice it. And, yeah, it does mean beans. My family hasn't bought detergent in over a month and we've already beaten the cost of the A&H we were buying. I don't see how you can come up with something different. There is NO WAY mathematically that what I'm doing costs MORE than the commercial stuff. If you feel like it, chart it out for me so I can see what you're coming up with that makes mine cost more. I'd like to know.

I'm not paying for the container anymore. I'm using the same one over and over. I'm not paying for the advertisements anymore. I'm using their measuring cap for my stuff (same amount). If you count it up that way I still WIN!!!

But if you think I'm wrong, just keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

 

[elijahboy]

Might I point out that price per gallon don't mean beans? It is cost per load that is important and if you can't beat a best seller or that basis, you should give it up and buy the best seller. They spend fortunes on Ads and couponds and add in the container cost and the freight and you aren't playing on a level field. One trick of the trade is to start out with about 1/2 the recommonded amount, that will do quite well on normal loads, only on the really dirty stuff use more but not more than the recommended amount, that would just be a waste.

I don't know how you do math, but 1 + 1 is always 2, and so on. It comes out the same no matter how you slice it. And, yeah, it does mean beans. My family hasn't bought detergent in over a month and we've already beaten the cost of the A&H we were buying. I don't see how you can come up with something different. There is NO WAY mathematically that what I'm doing costs MORE than the commercial stuff. If you feel like it, chart it out for me so I can see what you're coming up with that makes mine cost more. I'd like to know.

I'm not paying for the container anymore. I'm using the same one over and over. I'm not paying for the advertisements anymore. I'm using their measuring cap for my stuff (same amount). If you count it up that way I still WIN!!!

But if you think I'm wrong, just keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

i vote for a like button

 

[~gd]

Might I point out that price per gallon don't mean beans? It is cost per load that is important and if you can't beat a best seller or that basis, you should give it up and buy the best seller. They spend fortunes on Ads and couponds and add in the container cost and the freight and you aren't playing on a level field. One trick of the trade is to start out with about 1/2 the recommonded amount, that will do quite well on normal loads, only on the really dirty stuff use more but not more than the recommended amount, that would just be a waste.

I don't know how you do math, but 1 + 1 is always 2, and so on. It comes out the same no matter how you slice it. And, yeah, it does mean beans. My family hasn't bought detergent in over a month and we've already beaten the cost of the A&H we were buying. I don't see how you can come up with something different. There is NO WAY mathematically that what I'm doing costs MORE than the commercial stuff. If you feel like it, chart it out for me so I can see what you're coming up with that makes mine cost more. I'd like to know.But if you think I'm wrong, just keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

I think you mis-read what I said. I once was the Chief Chemist> Tech. Director for the A&P supermarket chain. their detergent plant that is. Stop and think for a minute You want to make a gallon cheaper? Just add more water! That is why I said that price /gallon does't mean beans. I am not impressed by your "Epic Win" I pointed out that They had to buy their containers and ads and pay for Shiping, You don't. There is NO doubt in my mind that you Beat A&H and I did NOT say that I "come up with something different. " Heck I formulated, and my plant produced A&H's first Laundry Detergent under contract. I think you misread this part "...and if you can't beat a best seller or that basis, you should give it up and buy the best seller." I think you missed the big IF. By all means Keep doing what you are doing. For myself I will consider if I will continue to share My years of experience in the industry with this site. ~gd

 

[~gd]

OK, so buying enough soap supplies to make 35 gallons, I spent $30.00
This makes it about $1.10 a gallon. So $5.50 /5 gallon bucket.
My 5 gallon bucket will do about 250 loads.
So, cost per load.... $ $.02 If I did my math right, LOL

just imagine how cheap commercial detergents could be. they buy ingredients by the truck. it probably costs them 1/2 a penny per load. but because we have to pay all costs incurred we get to pay about 10-15 per gallon. isnt that lovely. about $10 a gallon and you have a 5 gallon bucket that costs half as much.


reap the savings.

I have visited 5 plants that make detergents [I worked in the industry] usually ingredients are shipped by rail car loads, much cheaper than trucks. All that I visited made their own detergent, Sodium Dodecylbenzenesulfonate using ingredients and processes that can not be done at home. All the things I have seen posted here result in liquid or powdered SOAP not the same thing at all. Don't take me wrong you can get your wash clean with soap, but comparing detergent to soap is like comparing oranges with apples.

 

[dma1974]

Might I point out that price per gallon don't mean beans? It is cost per load that is important and if you can't beat a best seller or that basis, you should give it up and buy the best seller. They spend fortunes on Ads and couponds and add in the container cost and the freight and you aren't playing on a level field. One trick of the trade is to start out with about 1/2 the recommonded amount, that will do quite well on normal loads, only on the really dirty stuff use more but not more than the recommended amount, that would just be a waste.

I don't know how you do math, but 1 + 1 is always 2, and so on. It comes out the same no matter how you slice it. And, yeah, it does mean beans. My family hasn't bought detergent in over a month and we've already beaten the cost of the A&H we were buying. I don't see how you can come up with something different. There is NO WAY mathematically that what I'm doing costs MORE than the commercial stuff. If you feel like it, chart it out for me so I can see what you're coming up with that makes mine cost more. I'd like to know.But if you think I'm wrong, just keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

I think you mis-read what I said. I once was the Chief Chemist> Tech. Director for the A&P supermarket chain. their detergent plant that is. Stop and think for a minute You want to make a gallon cheaper? Just add more water! That is why I said that price /gallon does't mean beans. I am not impressed by your "Epic Win" I pointed out that They had to buy their containers and ads and pay for Shiping, You don't. There is NO doubt in my mind that you Beat A&H and I did NOT say that I "come up with something different. " Heck I formulated, and my plant produced A&H's first Laundry Detergent under contract. I think you misread this part "...and if you can't beat a best seller or that basis, you should give it up and buy the best seller." I think you missed the big IF. By all means Keep doing what you are doing. For myself I will consider if I will continue to share My years of experience in the industry with this site. ~gd

Are you just offended that someone (and many more besides me) beat your formula? I'm not impressed by your once being the Chief Chemist >Tech. Director of the A&P supermarket chain or that you formulated A&H's first Laundry Detergent under contract. I am even more unimpressed that you felt the need to spout those things off. I am, however, a lifelong fan of A&H and before you came along and felt the need to insult me, would have remained a huge fan of A&H. I've turned many people on to A&H over Tide and Gain and their likes. YOU may have single handedly turned me away from A&H. Nothing in the world worse than a condescending know-it-all. If you're not impressed, fine!! Go away!! There is nothing you have said that changes my mind on anything except the container I'm using. I'm a science major, biology and chemistry fascinate me. I hope I NEVER talk to people the way you do. I enjoy scientific proof more than most people do but that doesn't trump common sense or common decency. This whole "I'm not impressed because I'm superior" is BS.

I didn't misread what you said. Period. Maybe you just weren't clear.

Oh wait- you were clear. You just think you're smarter than me and can tell me I missunderstood so you can say the same thing hoping I'll agree this time.

You were more credible before you spouted off your credentials. No one cares. It doesn't change how I read what you wrote. (see the above sentence)

Oh, and do you have your fomulation ready for my perusal?

Edited for typos and to add that once this posted there was an add for laundry detergent coupons at the bottom of the screen.

 

[elijahboy]

please please for a tiny teeny like button...........

i dont even care to respond to my quoted response.


who sang it? you are my hero....and now your the wind beneath my wings


please please can we have a tiny like button somewhere

 

[dma1974]

OK, so buying enough soap supplies to make 35 gallons, I spent $30.00
This makes it about $1.10 a gallon. So $5.50 /5 gallon bucket.
My 5 gallon bucket will do about 250 loads.
So, cost per load.... $ $.02 If I did my math right, LOL

just imagine how cheap commercial detergents could be. they buy ingredients by the truck. it probably costs them 1/2 a penny per load. but because we have to pay all costs incurred we get to pay about 10-15 per gallon. isnt that lovely. about $10 a gallon and you have a 5 gallon bucket that costs half as much.


reap the savings.

I have visited 5 plants that make detergents [I worked in the industry] usually ingredients are shipped by rail car loads, much cheaper than trucks. All that I visited made their own detergent, Sodium Dodecylbenzenesulfonate using ingredients and processes that can not be done at home. All the things I have seen posted here result in liquid or powdered SOAP not the same thing at all. Don't take me wrong you can get your wash clean with soap, but comparing detergent to soap is like comparing oranges with apples.

Why don't you use your knowledge and experience to help this forum's participants better their homemade products instead of going through this thread and insulting people? You're just being rude gd.

 

[FarmerJamie]

Come on, people, take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. This got off way track and is going to spiral into oblivion shortly if you don't stop.


I would like to respond to a comment early about the price/gallon is the driving factor, price/load was not thought to be important.

With most liquid cleaning/laundry products (or even garden/lawn products), concentration is most important, so price per load/use does matter. For things like milk, peanut butter, or beans, price per volume matters most.

For products available varying concentrations, you do need to determine how much "use" you'll get out of each container/batch.

Consider:
Product A, one gallon, $2, 4 uses/servings/load
Product B, one gallon, $3, 7 uses/servings/load

Which is the better value?

 

[dma1974]

please please for a tiny teeny like button...........

i dont even care to respond to my quoted response.


who sang it? you are my hero....and now your the wind beneath my wings


please please can we have a tiny like button somewhere

Bette Midler; song from Beaches. Her and Lily Tomlynn (sp?) Great movie. I've always thought a "like" button would go a long way on forums like this.

 

[~gd]

My formulation has been replaced many times by now so that would be moot. I am sorry if i offended you by mentioning my qualifications. Good Luck with your career in science. I am out of here.~gd