Feed prices

[Lazy Gardener]

Now, that's an interesting idea (barter/donation). You just might see some interesting stuff show up. A local hospital had a little "market wagon" set up in their parking lot last summer. Gardeners would come and place their excess produce on the wagon for others to partake of. It was done up real nice, and I was delighted to see it, though I never contributed.

 

[CrealCritter]

I expect we'll be seeing $6/gal by the end of the summer.

Shhhh, Shhhh, Shush....

 

[CrealCritter]

Now, that's an interesting idea (barter/donation). You just might see some interesting stuff show up. A local hospital had a little "market wagon" set up in their parking lot last summer. Gardeners would come and place their excess produce on the wagon for others to partake of. It was done up real nice, and I was delighted to see it, though I never contributed.

A little known fact... I don't like money but I don't mind Gold and Silver, I don't mind land & houses, I'm slowly coming around to Crypto Currency maybe. Whatever it is, to avoid paying the dreaded T word. I pay to much T the way it is now.

 

[CrealCritter]

with emperor biden and his evil pen, we're gonna see a lot of horrors.

 

[farmerjan]

Comment from the Permian Basin Oilfield...

When the barrel price of oil gets up to $50 and over, you will start to see some more production. However, if, as in one of those EO's that were supposedly not the "right way to govern," no more lease permits are granted, the available permits will eventually run out. We had a moment of energy independence...sigh.

The world market was glutted with oil. Not sure of the current situation on that as I have had to stop with most of my media consumption in order to retain a little bit of my sanity. Anyway, that also affects exactly what goes on re oil production in the US as well as prices at the pump. If we continue as started last month, I'm guessing gas/diesel will hit the $4 range by summer. And fuel prices affect the price of pretty much everything.

BTW, lots of wind turbines here and I know folks in that industry. Did you know that a wind turbine does not pay for itself over the course of its functional life? I am all for developing alternative and renewable sources of fuel but we have got to be smarter about it than we have been so far. For one thing, there is an incredible amount of energy contained in the materials still going into landfills. We have the technology, it is generally referred to as gasification, to turn at least 90% of those materials into energy but we are simply not doing it.

Hubby has been working on a gasifier for our homestead. It is still out in the future but I can't wait for him to get it done.

Thank you for the input and insight. I have also been told that the wind turbines maybe break even so your info is even more discouraging. And yes, I have read and heard from a couple of sources that the propeller type blades alone, use so much raw material that is not recycleable.... so put into a landfilll.... The old type windmills used either wood or metal so there was some pluses.... recycle the metal and/or the wood would rot or could be burnt.... but they are supposedly not efficient for electricity production....

Diesel fuel here, " on road" is pushing 2.90/gallon. Gas just went up another 5 cents a gallon yesterday.....

 

[farmerjan]

there's a lot in here to reply to and i won't be able to do that.

my take is that if you are worried about a minimum wage requirement that doesn't affect you directly unless you are paying someone else. IMO for a self-sufficient organic grower of produce there are limited input costs, feed prices are a different consideration, but if you are buying from someone else who is also doing organic production then input costs can be lower, labor costs may have to go up, but to me when looking at whole system costs anyone doing organic production no matter what the labor costs might be should be able to out-compete a larger ag-chem grower. simply because lower input costs.

if you want to debate that it's ok with me, but to me that would primarily deal with the idea that you are working either in a mono-crop situation or not being able to scale effectively to compete, but that's a cost of equipment which a smaller grower shouldn't get too embedded in dealing with. if you're not doing ag-chem stuff then you're also possibly able to avoid a lot of the other expensive equipment.

this is all me winging it on a short bit of time here so, well, ignore it if you want, just some comments on things how i see them.

if you want to talk more about growing things and gardening i spend a lot more time on TEG because i am primarily a gardener and not doing things with animals and feeding issues.

There may be lower input "costs" because of not using ag-chems on say organic crops..... BUT..... the input in either manual labor or mechanized labor with these crops needing more frequent things like weeding...... do you have any idea of the number of times a crop needs to be weeded before it gets big/tall/large enough to shade out competitor weeds???? So any farm that is organic is going to be paying more out in wages if they do things manually.
The cost of machinery to do the mechanized weeding is more expensive comparatively because of the specialization of it. It costs more to put out an organic crop from start to finish than for a crop that uses some ag-chemicals. And the yields are lower 90% of the time, because of some plants succumbing to pests and other plant diseases. There is more compaction of the soil by having to make multiple passes down the fields too. No matter the size of the farm; if you do all manual work, there is a limit to what one person is capable of doing.... so you need more people to cover larger areas or multiple crops....Increased wages paid..... or you need mechanical equipment.

If you go mechanical, then your costs will go up with increases in gas/fuel/oil etc for normal useage.

We have to hire some help to do things like make sq bales. With my knee issues, we hire some help to work cattle through the chute before taking to pastures for the summer. We have help to also gather them all in and bring back in the late fall to wean calves, preg check, and do what needs to be done. We trade off help with others so that it is not so much out of pocket.... but when people do stuff to help us and they don't need any help in return, we try to do something else for them..... sometimes it is something as simple as buying a roll of net wrap for them to use in their baler.... but that is out of the pocket cost for us.... even though it is not anything we would ever begrudge for the help... it is in a way "paying for the help".....and they will do the same.... I have hauled cattle for a couple to the stockyard and not charged them.... time or fuel.... told them to work it out with DS in trade down the road....
And my comments about having to keep tightening the belt was in part directed towards thing like dairy farmers.... because that is who I work with all the time. I have one that is organic and his production is abysmal in comparison to a "conventional" farm that grows 90% of all their own feed.... because organic grain and hay is 4 times what "conventionally grown" feed is.... and the price for the milk is only about 2 - 2 1/2 times what conventional milk is but the production is 1/3 without the expensive inputs of feed grain. He is no better off.... and then there are the restrictions that if a cow gets mastitis, she cannot get a "conventional" drug to treat it.... so often they will lose a quarter or have to be culled if her somatic cell count can not be brought under control.
The thing that gets to me is that everyone that professes to want all organic.... does not stop to take into account that there is no anti-biotics tolerated in the milk supply. Every tankful that goes off the farm is tested.... and they are penalized and the milk IS DUMPED if it is found to have anti-biotics.... and if it is co-mingled on the truck/tank, the farmer with the anti-biotic reaction IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHOLE TANKER LOAD of milk.
If a cow gets sick, you are not allowed to use anything not on the list to treat her.... if she gets coliform mastitis, you have a 12 hour window to save her with anti-biotics if she gets real sick. Coliform (e-coli) is ENVIRONMENTAL.... they can get it from laying down in a nice green field that is wet from excessive rain.... but, if you treat her, she cannot EVER go back in the tank....
If your kid or your parent or grandparent or cousin gets a bad infection.... and you cannot get ahold of it in a reasonable time are you going to just say tough..... or give them an anti-biotic????? There are cases where anti-biotics are lifesavers. Do I think they have been overused..... YES CERTAINLY..... but there is a point of common sense too. So that is why I do not wholly promote organic farming when it comes to animals..... I grow an organic garden... have for 40 or more years.... and I do not like all the pesticides and herbicides being used. I think that we can do better with more WHOLISTIC type farming and gardening... But ... I also realize that there are trade offs for every type of farming.... and the cost may be too much for many farmers to pay if the input costs keep going up and the return does not. People are not going to be able to afford the increases... like was said, the increased wages will cause everything to go up as it will trickle down into everything that is sold one way or another.
I don't think that they will get the $15/hr minimum wage passed; but I do think it will go up some. If more businesses say they cannot afford to pay it, or scale back then there will be more out of work; more unemployment, more strain on the businesses that stay open..... and a lowering of quality of life for many more than will benefit from it.

 

[CrealCritter]

I can't believe I'm having to resort to common sense and grade school mathematics! Come On, Good Lord

 

[Hinotori]

I expect we'll be seeing $6/gal by the end of the summer.

As my husband says "Do not taunt the gods of irony"

 

[HornyToadAcres]

Yeah, I was trying for optimism with my gas price prediction as in Hoping it is ONLY $4/gallon this summer. I'm laughing only because the alternative is not pretty.

 

[HornyToadAcres]

A little known fact... I don't like money but I don't mind Gold and Silver, I don't mind land & houses, I'm slowly coming around to Crypto Currency maybe. Whatever it is, to avoid paying the dreaded T word. I pay to much T the way it is now.

Unfortunately crypto is no longer a way to avoid T as they ask about it directly. I played the crypto market in 2017 for about 8 months and made enough to buy the acre next to us. Not from trading skills but from simply good timing for once in my life. Crypto markets are highly manipulated by the big owners called "whales" who can do a pump and dump anytime they want so that turned me off a little. Plus the constant new coins. I do think the blockchain tech it is based on could be used for good - it is basically a form of triple accounting and could secure, among other things, our vote (possibly).