For REAL!??????

[Homesteadmom]

No you do not have to be stupid to have your guns stolen. You have to have someone stupid break your window in the back of the house, be boosted thru it & open the sliding glass door to let everyone else in. Then they ransack your house & find your guns, ammo, silver coins & even take your home video that says baby home movie on it(guess they thought it was porn). then throw it all in their vehicle they parked right at your front door & drive away. Traceable? Not on your life as they found no fingerprints to identify a criminal with. Can you say they wore gloves?? Hello!! How do you trace it then? YOU CAN'T!!!!!!!!!! So where your gun went after it left your house is still an unknown!

BD I use commonsense too, all the time. Just because we do not agree on anything political it seems does not mean i am not rational in any way shape or form. Nor do I stoop to your level of name calling in an indiscrete manner. Subtle but I recognize it plain as day. Just to let you know I have an IQ of 161. Which btw is a whole lot higher than the presidents. So I am not as stupid as you think I am, nor am I misinformed in anyway shape or form. Another thing I do listen to what he is saying I have to, to really know what he is saying. I do not rely on the media(either side) to make up my mind for me. What amazes me is that there are people who think he is going to save us, when all he is doing is leading us down the path of ruin. And if he wanted to send his "homies" to my house he better have a darn good reason or stay away as it is my property. I btw do not really listen to Rush as I think he can be a little over the top sometimes.

Farmerlor, the misspelling only works when you spin the name it would be like drush to make your point. And I do not believe anyone here said the right was always right. In fact it is the "lefties" here that are pointing out the right & left(until now of course).
I think a few people need to go back & read a lot of writtings from Thomas Jefferson about big gov't.

 

[farmerlor]

Farmerlor, the misspelling only works when you spin the name it would be like drush to make your point. And I do not believe anyone here said the right was always right. In fact it is the "lefties" here that are pointing out the right & left(until now of course).
I think a few people need to go back & read a lot of writtings from Thomas Jefferson about big gov't.

I agree. All those people who SAY they're for smaller government and less personal interference but then they're too lazy to parent their kids so they scream until the government censors tv, internet and books. They don't want the government in THEIR homes but they want "Big Brother" monitoring who can marry and who can have children. They cheerfully support a war against people to free them from a theocracy and then support turning America into one. Yep, those people need to do some reading. Sure enough.

 

[reinbeau]

Farmerlor, the misspelling only works when you spin the name it would be like drush to make your point. And I do not believe anyone here said the right was always right. In fact it is the "lefties" here that are pointing out the right & left(until now of course).
I think a few people need to go back & read a lot of writtings from Thomas Jefferson about big gov't.

I agree. All those people who SAY they're for smaller government and less personal interference but then they're too lazy to parent their kids so they scream until the government censors tv, internet and books. They don't want the government in THEIR homes but they want "Big Brother" monitoring who can marry and who can have children. They cheerfully support a war against people to free them from a theocracy and then support turning America into one. Yep, those people need to do some reading. Sure enough.

Wow, no sweeping generalizations there, huh? Who here fits into the dire descriptions you've posted? Not one single person, from the right or the left. The vitriol flows from both sides.

 

[Blackbird]

Well, no matter where any one stands on anything, if you want something changed, or want something else done, talk to your state's representatives, etc. and try to change it. We all have a voice as of yet and we can use it, but telling people they are wrong because of their views will simply not solve much..but I'm not pointing fingers here..

Keep it a little friendly..?

 

[farmerlor]

Farmerlor, the misspelling only works when you spin the name it would be like drush to make your point. And I do not believe anyone here said the right was always right. In fact it is the "lefties" here that are pointing out the right & left(until now of course).
I think a few people need to go back & read a lot of writtings from Thomas Jefferson about big gov't.

I agree. All those people who SAY they're for smaller government and less personal interference but then they're too lazy to parent their kids so they scream until the government censors tv, internet and books. They don't want the government in THEIR homes but they want "Big Brother" monitoring who can marry and who can have children. They cheerfully support a war against people to free them from a theocracy and then support turning America into one. Yep, those people need to do some reading. Sure enough.

Wow, no sweeping generalizations there, huh? Who here fits into the dire descriptions you've posted? Not one single person, from the right or the left. The vitriol flows from both sides.

I most assuredly was NOT referring to anyone on this board. No vitriol from this side though I prefer not to think of myself as even having a side.

 

[Homesteadmom]

Farmerlor, the misspelling only works when you spin the name it would be like drush to make your point. And I do not believe anyone here said the right was always right. In fact it is the "lefties" here that are pointing out the right & left(until now of course).
I think a few people need to go back & read a lot of writtings from Thomas Jefferson about big gov't.

I agree. All those people who SAY they're for smaller government and less personal interference but then they're too lazy to parent their kids so they scream until the government censors tv, internet and books. They don't want the government in THEIR homes but they want "Big Brother" monitoring who can marry and who can have children. They cheerfully support a war against people to free them from a theocracy and then support turning America into one. Yep, those people need to do some reading. Sure enough.

there are a lot of people like that in this country. But I am not one of them. I have always done my own censoring for my children, tv, books, movies, internet & even a few friends are off limits as they are not appropriately behaved or their parents do not meet with our expectations of supervision. Our 10yr old is not allowed to go more than 2 properties to the west or the thrid property to the east to play with friends. These friends are allowed to roam all over the place & one is only 8 yrs old in fact @ 7 he was going to houses a few roads over(we live on 1 1/4 acre properties out here). And we just started letting him do this. I control my children & am not afraid to discipline them in public if need be. Since the definition of marriage was made by God, our forefathers set that forth in the constitution which I support as a christian. But do not believe they have the right to tell certain people they can not have children(unless they haven't done a great job with other children) meaning have they abused previous children? Some gov't is good as we need a form of gov't keeping the laws in order & keeping up a repoir with foreign countries. Not to mention running our military. I truly feel we need to get back to the basics of the constitution, that means we take it at face value as it is written plainly & clearly. there is no need for interptiting(sp?) it because of its plainness. I say we even go back to the original election process, the winner is president & the looser is VP. That is a really good way of keeping the checks & balances in play, guess that is why our forefathers did it that way.

 

[Big Daddy]

Since the definition of marriage was made by God, our forefathers set that forth in the constitution which I support as a christian. But do not believe they have the right to tell certain people they can not have children(unless they haven't done a great job with other children) meaning have they abused previous children? Some gov't is good as we need a form of gov't keeping the laws in order & keeping up a repoir with foreign countries. Not to mention running our military. I truly feel we need to get back to the basics of the constitution, that means we take it at face value as it is written plainly & clearly. there is no need for interptiting(sp?) it because of its plainness. I say we even go back to the original election process, the winner is president & the looser is VP. That is a really good way of keeping the checks & balances in play, guess that is why our forefathers did it that way.

Please reread my post. I at no time called you stupid for having your guns stolen. I was referring to a post by a gun advocate that said you have to be stupid to have your guns stolen. They were not referring to you it was just a general ignorant type statement. After all if a house is protected by Smith & Wesson one would assume there's no way Smith or Wesson could be stolen. I'm sure most gun owners never leave their house. Don't worry your guns will eventually be found. Mot likely used in a robbery, rape or mugging. Hopefully not in a school shooting.

I've never spoken to God so I'm not sure if he defined marriage or not. I would like for you to show where in the Constitution it says that marriage is between one man and one woman. I believe people should have a thorough comprehension of the Constitution before quoting like some people quote the bible.

Did you hear about the shootings in New York today? I don't think anyone will try to take guns but you might be looking at fines or prison if your improperly secured firearm falls in to the wrong hands and shoots somebody. I sure do think that people who leave their gun where kids can get it should go to jail if their kid kills themselves or somebody else.

JMO

 

[VT-Chicklit]

I have two points to make after reading all the posts on this thread:

Point one- Those who believe that a government, local or federal, has no desire to remove guns from the hands of the lawfully gun owning citizenry needs only to remember hurricane Katrina and the aftermath. The "representatives" of the government under the order of the mayor of New Orleans went door to door, breaking into homes in New Orleans at gun point and confiscated all guns from their lawabiding owners. The police, Oklahoma national guard and the US Marshalls used force to unlawfully confiscate these guns from their owners. During a time when these owners needed the ability to protect themselves from looters and worse, they were left defensless. During a time when these government groups should have been doing more important things, they were confiscating guns instead. Registeing guns and ammunition only makes ther job easier when this is their intent. This shows that there only has to be a crisis for someone in the government to want to take another one of our rights to fix the problem when in many casses the problem is the government!

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200603210744.asp
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-08-nra-katrina_N.htm

Point two: For those of you who feel that you will never have the need to protect yourself. I pray that you are right. I live in a very small town with a population of about 450 people. During my childhood the only crime was speeding and the occasional breaking and entering of summer homes during the winter when they were unoccupied. Things have changed alot sinve then. During the last few years, there have been several murders in my little town. These murders shocked the rest of my state because no one would ever expect that it could ever happen in my little idylic town. I knew the couple that were murdered only a quarter of a mile from my house. I had gone to school with their children many years ago. This couple was known and loved by everyone in town. They were brutally murdered when they came home from dineing out with another couple from town. They didn't have a chance. The two boys who murdered them were under 18. They knew there was some money in the house and they wanted it for drugs. They killed Anne and George and then were only able to get a small safe that were unable to open. Anne and George knew these two boys. They were local boys. In a town this small you know everyone. Anne and George never expected to have to defend themselves that night. . . The people at that community center in New York today didn't think they would need to defend themselves, but they did. The reality is that police are never there when the killings start. . . there are there to mop up after.

 

[me&thegals]

I really should just let this go, but....

And just where did I do that? I am allowed my personal opinions, and I do not censor anyone. So please explain where you came to the conclusion that outlining the forum rules (about respect, which I am trying to uphold for myself, too) somehow should prevent me from participating in the discussion? What I see is censorship on your part, trying to keep me quiet.

Enjoy your rose colored glasses - do they keep the sand out of your eyes while your head is buried?

I've obviously read enough of this, and am having a hard time moderating myself. I'd apologize, but I'm not sorry one bit. I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop, and those of you who think it isn't going to really need to get a clue.

If this is a sample of respectful communication, I think it's clear to see why some folks are having a difficult time with the tone of the conversation. Calling that censorship is just trying to muddy the water. Nobody here has had problems with opposing viewpoints UNTIL they became ugly and disrespectful.

 

[me&thegals]

VT-chicklit--It's truly horrifying to live in a crime-infested area. It would be interesting, though, to know with that type of weapons these murders are being perpetrated.

It seems to me that people buy guns to protect themselves from criminals, who have guns and maybe even bigger and faster ones than the cops, who also have guns. Does anybody start to see a comic aspect to this?

Kind of reminds me of people getting larger and larger vehicles to protect themselves on the roads from other larger vehicles. Good thing gas prices went up, or we might have been heading towards semi-trucks.

I just think this mentality of trying to protect ourselves from all possible bad guys is a little scary. First of all, WAY more people get killed by their own guns than any criminal's. I'm not happy about conceal and carry, either. I surely hope I don't do anything twitchy next to someone who's a little fearful and carrying. And I sure hope somebody doesn't misinterpret a situation and try to "save" everybody else by shooting it out. Sure hope they are CRAZY good shots if they do. Sure hope my child doesn't get caught in the crossfire. Lots of craziness to consider when you get a whole pile of people with weapons whose only function is to kill.

I really like the venison my husband gets, though