Frustratedearthmother's Journaling Journey

[tortoise]

@Medicine Woman - Thanks!

Ivermectin and spinosad are not universally safe for dogs. Dogs with the MDR1 gene can't excrete macrocyclic lactones (which includes ivermectin and spinosaid and others) which causes toxicity. Most breeds that carry MDR1 gene are in the herding group, but there are others. (There is testing available to identify the mutation) MDR1 gene is associated with white paws, hence the saying "white feet, dont treat."

 

[tortoise]

MDR1 prevalence in English Shepherds is estimated 14.3% in a study with small sample size, n=93. Thats 3x the risk of a border collie having it.

 

[NH Homesteader]

@frustratedearthmother does know about that gene since she has English shepherds (I think hers are tested for it?) but good info for those who don’t!

 

[tortoise]

@frustratedearthmother does know about that gene since she has English shepherds (I think hers are tested for it?) but good info for those who don’t!

Yep @frustratedearthmother is savvy, but since most of the site use is guests and there are a lot of people who neglect veterinary care for pets under the excuse of SS, I though it was worth saying. Might save a dog's life.

 

[Cecilia's-life]

Ivermectin and spinosad are not universally safe for dogs. Dogs with the MDR1 gene can't excrete macrocyclic lactones (which includes ivermectin and spinosaid and others) which causes toxicity. Most breeds that carry MDR1 gene are in the herding group, but there are others. (There is testing available to identify the mutation) MDR1 gene is associated with white paws, hence the saying "white feet, dont treat."

My collies and MANY herding breeds are positive for the MDR1 gene. Don’t give them ivermectin. Stick with frontline. Don’t risk killing your dogs.

 

[Cecilia's-life]

. I know this will sound bad but I decided to try it on the oldest mutt we had that was an outside dog and I absolutely couldn’t train him to do anything except sound the warning and kill snakes. I noticed 5ml didn’t hurt him but also wasn’t enough. He weighed 53 pounds. So I gave 5 more and that did the trick so he began getting 10 ml about every 3 months and ivermectin to control the heart worms. Then I simply adjusted the amount for smaller dogs or bigger. I gave horse ivermectin in small amounts for the dogs as well. Several friends and family followed my plan and ordered the same stuff as me.

this is super not a good idea for the majority of dogs. It will slowly kill them. Or not so slowly. @tortoise is right. Her husband is a vet.

 

[frustratedearthmother]

@frustratedearthmother does know about that gene since she has English shepherds (I think hers are tested for it?) but good info for those who don’t!

Yes ma'am! We are tested.

Went to DS's house yesterday. Waaaaay too much food as usual - but delicious as usual too! DIL's family was there so we were a lively group until some of her family had a difference of opinion on an issue, lol. Families! Holidays! What can I say? I was grateful not to be involved and was able to just observe from the corner, lol.
After the 'troublemakers' went home the ones of us left had a few adult beverages and sang karaoke until the wee hours of the morning. We thought we were fantastic! Don't know what the neighbors thought, lol.

We took DH's mom to breakfast this morning. Bless her - she's 90 and within the last few months she's started showing her age. Sweet woman, but no filter! And, with her being hard of hearing she tends to broadcast all kinds of family business so that everyone in the restaurant can hear it. With her there are definitely times I hope the floor will open up and swallow me...

 

[tortoise]

Sweet woman, but no filter! And, with her being hard of hearing she tends to broadcast all kinds of family business so that everyone in the restaurant can hear it. With her there are definitely times I hope the floor will open up and swallow me...

More wine...

 

[frustratedearthmother]

More wine...

Hard to pull that off at breakfast, lol!

 

[Mini Horses]

Geesh! A lively weekend, so it sounds....