glenolam's madness - April passed away

[savingdogs]

And a very good thing you posted and shared this, as I've been trying to make sure my girls carefully ate their full overdose. I think I won't give any of that at all for a month.

Dang it, the lady at the feed store should have warned me about that. They suggested this as a good substitute since they didn't have a goat selenium product. I was happy because this has copper in it and they don't like their mineral and they like this stuff, so I thought I was killing two birds with one stone. Sheesh. I think that is the last time I take that lady's advice.

 

[Shiloh Acres]

Such good news!!!

And hopefully they will be fine. And good thing you learned too SD! Hopefully all is well with all the goats, and helpful warnings for all of us.

That long-term article isn't much comfort, but I'd think you'd usually expect problems to show up quickly?

I'm so glad they are ok. Oh and I'm with you. That would NOT be a funny joke!

 

[hillfarm]

goats sound like a lot of work. My neighbors have goats and I swear they are on their own. he doesnt even feed them. they just strip every green thing around and even climb the trees. And break out and come eat my carefully grown sunflowers, vines and roses.
I doubt they get any medical care of any kind. they just keep squeezing out inbred babies. yet honestly they look very healthy.
Is this a paticular breed issue or is it just that yall are good goat owners who actually care for your pets.

 

[Shiloh Acres]

I'd actually be interested in goats that stayed healthy "on their own" ... Especially if they produced any decent quantity of milk.

I've wondered about it. Folks used to keep goats without so much "stuff" needing to be done. And I am all for intervening as little as possible because I prefer animals be naturally robust. But in the year I've had of keeping goats, both doelings last year would have died, and one of my does likely would have, just from worms and an unidentified infection. Without penicillin and barberpole wormers ... They wouldn't have lasted the year.

My grandma didn't raise goats. I'm sure if she had, though, she wouldn't have been rotating wormers every two months like the vets currently recommend. And I'm sure folks of her generation didn't. And the goats lived.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But I'd love to have goats that didn't NEED all the wormers and stuff given to them. That's just not what I've got.

 

[ksalvagno]

I think the soil was much better back then so the animals got a better diet from grazing. Now our soils are low in nutrients and lacking so much.

Weak back legs can also be meningeal worm. If you have deer, then it is a possibility. Snails ingest it and then travel into your pastures. I'm treating one of my girls right now that had a weak back end a few days ago. I'm almost done with the treatment. If she doesn't have it, the worst I've done is wormed her really really good. But after two days, her back end was back to normal. Only way to verify meningeal worm is a spinal tap and I'm not spending money on that. All I can say is that she is back to normal.

I learned a long time ago with alpacas that if you have unexplained weakness in the back end, there is a good chance that it is meningeal worm. A good friend of mine lost an alpaca because she wasn't treated right away.

You give Banamine for inflammation of the spinal cord for 1 to 3 days. Inject Ivomec at the normal dosage. Do Safeguard for 5 days at 1cc per 7 pounds. This only works if you catch it right in the beginning though. If you wait too long, more than likely it won't work and you will lose the animal.

 

[savingdogs]

I know we have to worry about the selenium level (so I have to supplement at least SOME) because of our soil, there is not enough selenium in the plants that grow here for the goats to flourish unless I give them feed grown elsewhere. Since I let them natural forage for much of their diet, I knew I had to supplement the selenium but it was very hard to convert a horse dose without knowing the proper dose for a goat. I converted the quantity down but that was still way too high since goats need so much less.

I suppose the lady at the store who helped me did not know that goats need much less selenium.

I have been giving that overdose for .....oh, probably four months. I was not perfect about giving it to them every other day, I would forget sometimes and that was perhaps their saving grace.

I sure hope yours continue to do well glenolam. If mine are any indication, there is a range of what they can tolerate. One of my goats is the tiny little nigy doeling, she has probably had just a little less than that dosage as well.

I should take a picture of how she is bursting with health.

 

[GOOGLE NIKOLA TESLA]

I'd actually be interested in goats that stayed healthy "on their own" ... Especially if they produced any decent quantity of milk.

I've wondered about it. Folks used to keep goats without so much "stuff" needing to be done. And I am all for intervening as little as possible because I prefer animals be naturally robust. But in the year I've had of keeping goats, both doelings last year would have died, and one of my does likely would have, just from worms and an unidentified infection. Without penicillin and barberpole wormers ... They wouldn't have lasted the year.

My grandma didn't raise goats. I'm sure if she had, though, she wouldn't have been rotating wormers every two months like the vets currently recommend. And I'm sure folks of her generation didn't. And the goats lived.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But I'd love to have goats that didn't NEED all the wormers and stuff given to them. That's just not what I've got.

Wat they do in 3rd world countries lol. Always see goats walking around, and they got no phamaceuticals lol

 

[glenolam]

Karen - thanks for that thought! Actually, our neighbor lost a goat a while back to meningeal worm, but the thought never crossed my mind because I had no idea what the syptoms were.

I just put everyone through one heck of a treatment with safeguard and dimethox - maybe I'll put her through one or two more just to cover that...

Did you do the ivomec at the oral rate or the injected rate? From what I know, the oral rate is around 1cc / 30 lb (give or take 25 lbs!) and the injected rate is 1cc / 110 lb (again, give or take many lbs).

Did you do that and the next day do the safeguard treatment? When I did the safeguard treatment for strongyles I had to take all their hay away for 12 hours, dose them, feed them a little, dose them again 8 hours later and that was that.

I'm thinking maybe I should do the ivo, then the safeguard, wait 10 days after the ivo and do the treatment again...does that sould like what you did?


Shiloh - all my goats were healty "on their own" until I brought these purebreds in. I had mutt goats and then came upon these girls and most of them are in great health...actually all but April at this point. She's the only one still giving me isues.

I sure wish things were as they used to be!

I don't worm on a schedule either. Heck, I never wormed my goats after a good swift kick in the pants from someone not mentioned. I began reading about parasitic resistance and stuff like that and it made sense. So no more worming (with the exception of Dimethox for kids)....until....the runs started and I couldnt' get some gals to keep weight on. Fecals done and showed coccidia and strongyles. So...wormer we went.

So....now's the final question - I have the BoSe shots from the vet. I got 4 - one for April, one for Eloise, who's SUPPOSED to be bred and due the 25th, but isn't showing ANY signs..not even an udder..and two for possible kids.

Do I attempt to give April and Eloise the BoSe even though I gave them the crumbles or just wait? I think I'm just gonna wait about a month....

 

[Javamama]

I think I would wait too. Sorry you are having so much trouble

 

[savingdogs]

I would wait, having that Bose will be a good thing at some point I'm sure.