How do a person's political views relate to self sufficiency?

[hikerchick]

You said that quite clearly, WZ. And since you didn't see the need to belittle others and tear apart their every post, no one "scrutinized" your post. People accepted your opinion as food for thought and went on with their lives. At no point did you ever try to get people to spar with you about your stance.

So, yeah, you win.

Actually I gave up since I figured it would be a fruitless exercise trying to explain the contradictions involved in trying to be SS while supporting chaining people together in a way that prevents many from being SS, but I will take the win anyway

In the very strictest and literal senses of the definitions of liberal and conservative, you are probably right.

Problem is, most people's beliefs lie along the spectrum between the two. Someone may be in favor of helping others, yet still want self-sufficiency for themselves. I think that is all the wooly heads were trying to say.

 

[ScottSD]

[ Someone may be in favor of helping others, yet still want self-sufficiency for themselves. I think that is all the wooly heads were trying to say.

Ok...my turn to ask YOU a question.

In trying to read your NOT VERY CLEAR post, it sounds like you are saying that someone can be in favor of helping others, yet still want self-sufficiency for themselves.

I can agree with that.

But it it sounds like you are also insinuating that conservatives are not as much in favor of helping others.... as compared to..... liberals or progressives.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[hikerchick]

[ Someone may be in favor of helping others, yet still want self-sufficiency for themselves. I think that is all the wooly heads were trying to say.

Ok...my turn to ask YOU a question.

In trying to read your NOT VERY CLEAR post, it sounds like you are saying that someone can be in favor of helping others, yet still want self-sufficiency for themselves.

I can agree with that.

But it it sounds like you are also insinuating that conservatives are not as much in favor of helping others.... as compared to..... liberals or progressives.

Is that what you are saying?

No, Scott. that is not what I am saying. I am saying that some people may be in favor of helping others, yet want self-sufficiency for themselves.

I am not sure why that is not clear to you. But thanks for kindly pointing it out.

 

[On Our own]

Thanks for the answer Scott, but the questions I asked EVERYONE is when do you think this country was at its most socialist?

(According to the definition Scott so kindly provided?)

 

[reinbeau]

To all - let's drop the dripping sarcasm, it isn't helping either side.

 

[sylvie]

I think Scott's presence on this thread has been invigorating. Look at all the posts. I admire his hanging in here alone, for the most part, when most of the other conservatives dropped out, tho I'm sure they were backing him in pm's.
When I first joined this forum it was conservative post heavy. Now it has balanced out a little. Do a count on this thread.

I am Scott's polar opposite. I am more to the left than any other on this thread. I could have taken his description of how liberals and progressives think personally, but I chose to answer the OP question for myself, not in a defensive way.

Sorry to refer to you in third person, but this is to all.

 

[big brown horse]

To all - let's drop the dripping sarcasm, it isn't helping either side.

I agree. I enjoy a good debate, but the sarcasm is painful to read.

 

[sylvie]

To all - let's drop the dripping sarcasm, it isn't helping either side.

I agree. I enjoy a good debate, but the sarcasm is painful to read.

My post contained no sarcasm.

 

[ScottSD]

No, Scott. that is not what I am saying. I am saying that some people may be in favor of helping others, yet want self-sufficiency for themselves.

I am not sure why that is not clear to you. But thanks for kindly pointing it out.

Ok, well I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. It looks like we have a difficult time understanding clear posts.

So, the same question goes out to everyone.

Based on some of the comments made on here, it looks like the liberals/progressives think that conservatives don't care for the down trodden. You know, because they typically don't want big government social programs.

Everyone, is what you think?

 

[FarmerChick]

It is NOT that every political slant does not want all citizens to prosper and be well taken care of.............far from that............it is the steps we need to take with the govt and its programs and the govt control etc. that is being questioned.

what steps to the means of the end.


everything one thinks different on that usually if you are not of the same party ideals




There is not a person deep down that doesn't want everyone to live decent.

no one wants anyone to suffer, everyone usually wants to help, and find that means.............but the means and steps taken to get to that end is the question.