I hope this was a typo!

[Bubblingbrooks]

You might want to send a quick message to the posted asking "are you sure you meant +?"

I did. Just waiting to hear back.
I know we have a couple people in state that have purposfully sold goats that test + for all three of the big diseases.
And they will not stop doing it.
Sell cheap, make a quick buck...

 

[Bethanial]

slightly off-topic, but what are the other 2 big diseases? (From somebody who wants to be "goat people" )

 

[Bubblingbrooks]

slightly off-topic, but what are the other 2 big diseases? (From somebody who wants to be "goat people" )

Johnes, and ????? can't remember the other.

 

[Bethanial]

slightly off-topic, but what are the other 2 big diseases? (From somebody who wants to be "goat people" )

Johnes, and ????? can't remember the other.

It's just that this is the first time (in my goat research) I've come across mention of goat diseases to watch out for

 

[Bubblingbrooks]

slightly off-topic, but what are the other 2 big diseases? (From somebody who wants to be "goat people" )

Johnes, and ????? can't remember the other.

It's just that this is the first time (in my goat research) I've come across mention of goat diseases to watch out for

Here is a detailed list that covers a great deal.
http://www.goatworld.com/articles/health/commondiseases.shtml
Maybe BB remembers what the third one was?

 

[Bubblingbrooks]

I just heard back from her. Doe tests positive, hence the reason they are taking precautions.
She edited the post so it read better.

 

[Blackbird]

Johnes and CL. CL = Caseous Lymphadenitis.

Johnes.. Run away fast. Lol. If you are familiar with Crohn's disease, it is rather similar to that, as it initially infects the intestines and causes malabsorption. Most animals with it die. There has been some speculation that they are related and that Johnes can cause Crohn's in humans but most of that has been proven wrong. We had a Johnes positive doe - bought from a big show lady that actually worked WITH the ADGA - you can't trust anyone when it comes to livestock diseases. The main bacteria in Johnes passes through blood, milk, feces, and in utero, so supposedly it spreads very fast, especially when the animal is stressed from birthing, moving, etc. Thankfully we've eradicated that from our herd.

CL.. I can only describe it like a pimple, but on goats. They are abscesses, really. If the abscess pops and the contents drains the bacteria can stay in the ground and further infect animals that way. Very rarely, supposedly, are the abscesses internal for goats, but they usually are in sheep - and it can affect almost all species including humans, so it's extremely important to be careful when handling and lancing abscesses. Animals can also test positive and never have an abscess, so it's a tricky one. However, external abscesses aren't life threatening.

Edit; typo

 

[TanksHill]

BB how long would you say CL can live in the dirt? Just wondering about future land purchases.

Johnes.... Are there any laws about breeding goats that carry this?

Great info by the way!!!

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Is this it?
Johnes Disease (M. Paratuberculosis)
Clinical symptoms: The symptoms are goats show loss of body weight, weakness and emaciation. Frequent diarrhea. in some adult goats also be reported . The clinical disease observed after 1-2 years of age in goats.

Preventive care: Consultant the goat health specialist for testing of your goats. Segregate and cull the positive goat. There is no reliable test to detect J. D. in very initial stages.

 

[Bethanial]

Thanks for that article; I've got it bookmarked. It was reading funny, like it was translated from another language, and I got to the bottom and the author's from Pakistan That 'splains it!

 

[Blackbird]

I have no idea how it stays in the ground, I would probably say years. I actually have no idea how researched that idea is. I read that dousing down areas with ammonia and bleach, and burning everything else helps - and then excavating/redoing soil and pasture areas can help?

My first experience with CL actually had nothing to do with goats. My BIL worked with a global laboratory that was working on inter-species blood transfusions. The goal was to manipulate and change animal blood to be able to work in the human body. They started with rats and rabbits, and then were moving up to pigs, cattle, horses, and eventually primates and would be moving to Japan to focus of more research. Well we had many rabbits at the time, 30+. They found a 4-H girl getting rid of her rabbits locally (SD) so they had quite a few from her and still needed more, so my BIL said they would pay me to lend them some rabbits for their tests.

Of course, all of my rabbits died from the tests, but the other girl's rabbits lived. When all the tests were over they asked if I wanted the remaining animals. Shortly after that one of the rabbits from them developed a large abscess on her neck. Naive us, we lanced it bare handed. After that about half of our cats all developed abscesses and had to be shot.

Anyway, all of those rabbits I was given died within a year, just fell over dead. The observation part of their program obviously lacked a little. They had made it up to primates and were in the process of moving that part of the company to Japan but they needed legislature to pass a bill to allow them some forms of access or some such, which did no pass, and that was where it ended. Just as well.

Anyway, no there are not laws on Johnes that I am aware of.. Lol. I've read that most offspring from Johnes infected dams also contract it - all of the offspring from our doe were sold at the sale barn before we even knew she had it, so I'm not sure whether or not they were also infected.