freemotion
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Expecting a LOT of details!!! Pictures, too!Beekissed said:Buster, going on my Lunatic Tour at Joel's place on May 11th!!!
Can't wait!!!
Is self sufficiency sustainability?
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Buster
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Beekissed said:Buster, going on my Lunatic Tour at Joel's place on May 11th!!!
Can't wait!!!
Okay, now I'm jealous!! 
Have fun. Tell him his old buddy Buster says hey!
Even though we've never met.
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That's okay. Semantic games aside, it has been very helpful. It has proved my suspicion that by and large people who do this self sufficiency thing get it, and those who don't, don't.freemotion said:Sorry, Buster. Not completely typical. What were we talking about?
The distraction actually helped prove that point.
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yep. you and jaku finally wore me down on the meaties....sigh... there they are out there creeping everyone out.Buster said:Have I been a bad influence?ohiofarmgirl said:yep.
come on over to the meat chickens thread or over to my journal where i'm blaming you for turning to the dark side.
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Quail_Antwerp
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Mine and Becca's meaties arrive next week, I think. 
Alright, so...here's what I'm taking from this thread.
1) To be "self-sufficient," on this forum, doesn't really have that much to do with actual self sufficiency, where one would have the ability to live without outside aid or input of any kind. It simply means trying or actually being able to do some stuff for yourself, but not necessarily all stuff. The amount of stuff you can do for yourself isn't really as important as the effort when it comes to being considered an SS'er.
2) Having to purchase some things from some people can be more "self-sufficient-y" than buying some other things from some other people, regardless of the fact that they're both input from an outside source.. For instance, having to buy nails from your neighbor who's a blacksmith is considered more self-sufficient-y than having to buy nails from Lowe's.
3) Even though having to purchase things and requiring input from outside sources is totally OK under many circumstances, having a job that pays for everything you need doesn't make you self sufficient. You have to do some stuff for yourself. Working at the aforementioned job and making enough money to pay other people to do things you need done doesn't really count.
4) Nobody on this forum believes that actual self-sufficiency...in the strictest sense of the phrase where a person wouldn't need any outside aid or input...is attainable -- or even desirable, apparently -- and as such, nobody actually strives toward that goal.
None of that really makes any sense to me, personally, but if that more or less sums it up, then I really haven't a leg to stand on. If that's the case, I'll hush.
So...is that about right?
1) To be "self-sufficient," on this forum, doesn't really have that much to do with actual self sufficiency, where one would have the ability to live without outside aid or input of any kind. It simply means trying or actually being able to do some stuff for yourself, but not necessarily all stuff. The amount of stuff you can do for yourself isn't really as important as the effort when it comes to being considered an SS'er.
2) Having to purchase some things from some people can be more "self-sufficient-y" than buying some other things from some other people, regardless of the fact that they're both input from an outside source.. For instance, having to buy nails from your neighbor who's a blacksmith is considered more self-sufficient-y than having to buy nails from Lowe's.
3) Even though having to purchase things and requiring input from outside sources is totally OK under many circumstances, having a job that pays for everything you need doesn't make you self sufficient. You have to do some stuff for yourself. Working at the aforementioned job and making enough money to pay other people to do things you need done doesn't really count.
4) Nobody on this forum believes that actual self-sufficiency...in the strictest sense of the phrase where a person wouldn't need any outside aid or input...is attainable -- or even desirable, apparently -- and as such, nobody actually strives toward that goal.
None of that really makes any sense to me, personally, but if that more or less sums it up, then I really haven't a leg to stand on. If that's the case, I'll hush.
So...is that about right?
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I would add
5. Cmjust0 has no clue about Self Sufficient living or the purpose of this site, but apparently visits it and participates in it anyway strictly for the sake of amusement.
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I would quibble with some of your conclusions but sense it is just bait to draw folks into another tributary of off-topic (for this thread) meanderings, so I think I'm going to pass and just say you are welcome to draw your own conclusions and to your own opinion, as we all are.
I certainly have mine.
5. Cmjust0 has no clue about Self Sufficient living or the purpose of this site, but apparently visits it and participates in it anyway strictly for the sake of amusement.
ETA
I would quibble with some of your conclusions but sense it is just bait to draw folks into another tributary of off-topic (for this thread) meanderings, so I think I'm going to pass and just say you are welcome to draw your own conclusions and to your own opinion, as we all are.
I certainly have mine.
big brown horse
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AHHHH MEN!!!Buster said:I would add
5. Cmjust0 has no clue about Self Sufficient living or the purpose of this site, but apparently visits it and participates in it anyway strictly for the sake of amusement.
Why bother????ETA
I would quibble with some of your conclusions but sense it is just bait to draw folks into another tributary of off-topic (for this thread) meanderings, so I think I'm going to pass and just say you are welcome to draw your own conclusions and to your own opinion, as we all are.
I certainly have mine.
I don't care what cmj-whoever has to say about how self sufficient we are or aren't, for goodness sakes IT ISN'T A RACE!! We are doing what we can with what we have to make this a better planet, to grow healthier food for ourselves, to save a load of money, to cut back our electricity costs, raise healthy meat FREE FROM ANTIBIOTICS 
and gmo corn etc. We are all in it for some of the same or different reasons, but we are in it to make a difference. The fact of the matter is that we are doing something, some of us on a small scale some of us on a large one like Miss. Puff, who chooses to NOT have electricity or running water etc.
Can we just ignore him/her (?) and carry on a discussion??????
noobiechickenlady
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AMEN!!!!! Farmfresh, that whole post was great.Farmfresh said:
While I would love to live as a hermit in the woods with my DH, kids, goats, rabbits, chickens & the wildlife for company, it would still be great to occasionally travel down the gravel road to see the sights, pick up some nails, sugar & coffee & have a nice cold beer that I didn't brew myself, while listening to the old biddies at the coffee shop gossip.
Get 'em BBH!!
