Mutually Exclusive Concepts (Ranty Questions)

[me&thegals]

I have no problem with helping those who need help, but you also need to provide a way for those being helped to help themselves. It is sad that these programs trap people into a form of slavery. Many people get stuck in this cycle and cant get off their subsidies. When thay start to do for themselves, they loose all the help they were getting and they are not ready to be able to go it alone with out help. It, in many cases becomes a way of life, from generation to generation. That is not fair. They are unable to share the American Dream.

It sounds like welfare could use some work. I know in WI our program was revamped years ago. It's called Welfare to Work (or more informally as W2). I might eventually make the time to look into it more, as I have a vague memory that it tried to address some of these welfare issues.

Yes, absolutely, welfare should be an intermediate help, unless someone is permanently disabled. It's a disgrace that it would be set up in a way that someone is actually penalized for working, even if only earning a little money.

 

[FarmerChick]

I just saw this thread---basically
Just quit your job and don't pay any taxes.
See how far that gets you. Take that chance?

Ranting is great to "get it out there" but useless also.

Everyone would love to not pay taxes.

Everyone would love all people to fend for themselves and never take a dime from the govt.
Everyone would love a perfect world...isn't going to happen.

There are times govt must step in---times they need to stay out obviously.

Rants are just that--rants. I don't hold too much "useful" information in a rant. It is just what ticks you off. No real solutions on how to change things. I just points out your character on certain issues.

Welfare is needed to a degree.
Not everyone is going to help anyone else at all--in your community or anywhere else
Being SS---you aren't truly. You take from this world like everyone else. At some point even trying to be SS is attached to the govt. somewhere down the line. (you have electricity, you pay govt. fees etc)

You can't get away from it that I can see.

And stated many times throughtout, the location differences will reflect big on our responses. Used to be "your location" meant you usually had tons of people agreeing with you kinda, now with the internet, we have tons of disagreements..LOL

 

[Wifezilla]

Resistance is futile...

 

[FarmerChick]

yea it almost is nowadays

the rat race has engulfed all rats into the game!


Unless one does the ultimate

Sell all----move to a few acres in the woods---all paid for in cash----barter and trade and work small jobs to exist....grow your own....etc.---go into town to buy sugar only. Like the real olden days when it was all there was in life--to survive!! With some pleasure thrown in hopefullly..LOL


(And remember, to save some money to pay those property taxes!)


UGH

 

[me&thegals]

I've read about people who only pay half of their federal taxes, the half that isn't going towards the war. It sounds rather appealing to me

 

[xpc]

Wifezilla is 100% absolutely correct in her synopsis of the system, unfortunately it is corrupt beyond repair and will only be a matter of time before it consumes itself like a terminal cancer. My guess is the government is a little less proficient then a standard charity where 10 cents on the dollar makes it to the poor, but with our ever mutating socialist givernment I bet less than one penny from each dollar actually makes it to where it is needed the most.

I also agree with FarmerChicks first paragraph "Just quit your job and don't pay any taxes." and is exactly what I did. I saw several years ago that I would never be able to retire and keep all my stuff with all the lazy self-serving I am entitled to everything for free parasites breeding at an alarming rate, which also brings down the average IQ of America.

I quit my job in 2007 at age 47 and sold my house in an over taxed city and bought a much cheaper smaller one in the country, I don't make any money and only take the few hundred needed per mouth from savings - no taxes are paid, no lazy good for nothings are gonna get any more of my money again. I paid 30% of my salary for the last thirty years to these leeches and have reached the breaking point - let them eat cake.

 

[Wifezilla]

But don't you want to add your biological, technological and financial uniqueness to the collective? Weirdo!

LOLOL

(Actually I am very proud of you Just having sarcasm attacks today...hee hee hee)

 

[FarmerChick]

me&thegals

yea--I agree--my portion of taxes is only going to the things I want it to go to...the rest is spent wherever. I am fine with that also! LOL

 

[me&thegals]

Actually, it might be as logical as some of the other things proposed. We each decide what we want our taxes to pay for. No more fighting--just choose.

 

[FarmerChick]

XPC

more power to you.
you are one of the smart ones to get off the gravy greed train!

I am striving for that big time!



My brother retired at 44. He worked big money in NY as a consultant. He lives off his money market dividends. And lives very well. He said he is done also.

(Now granted my bro does not do it for SS reasons..LOL...he still buys everything, but doesn't pay on dime to the system anymore other than sales tax, etc.)



I am close but yet so far.


XPC---what medical coverage can you afford? Just wondering, because for me it is the biggie on "leaving the system" or hanging in there. Medical coveage is what scares the hound out of me big time.