Organ health as it relates to Pasturized Milk versus Raw milk

[Bubblingbrooks]

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2010...-one-calf-got-raw-milk-the-other-pasteurized/
This post is worth passing on to all the skeptics in your lives.

 

[Wannabefree]

Good experiment, but I wish more calves had been involved and more effort put forth in comparisons of other breeds, other genetics, other living standards amongst calves etc. This is not enough to form an opinion, no matter what we know. This needs to be done on a much larger scale with some financial backing from regular folks like these instead of corporations. I am much more inclined to trust these regular folks, it's just not enough. GREAT step forward in getting the word out that there may be proof of significant differences though!

 

[Bubblingbrooks]

Good experiment, but I wish more calves had been involved and more effort put forth in comparisons of other breeds, other genetics, other living standards amongst calves etc. This is not enough to form an opinion, no matter what we know. This needs to be done on a much larger scale with some financial backing from regular folks like these instead of corporations. I am much more inclined to trust these regular folks, it's just not enough. GREAT step forward in getting the word out that there may be proof of significant differences though!

Very true. but at this point, not even Mark McAfee has the funds to do the huge study.
And no way is our government going to fund something that will bankrupt one of their best money makers
The deal is though, I have butchered improperly and free ranged fed chickens and have seen the exact same organ comparison.

 

[2dream]

It would be nice if this would really happen on a large scale. But I doubt it ever will.

 

[Wannabefree]

It would be nice if this would really happen on a large scale. But I doubt it ever will.

Why can't it? There are cooperatives for everything else. I think if enough people get together and pitch in X ammount of money to fund this SOMEBODY would surely be willing to do the experimenting since someone else would buy the feed and cattle to conduct the experiment. All it takes is a large enough group of willing people to fund it rather than "Whatever Corp." If it took 5000 to raise two beefs to slaughter then it would take 50000 to raise 10. Ten would be a good start for some strong evidence against pastuerization and FOR raw milk if the results are the same.

This mentality is the whole problem....WHY can't we do it? I think there is enough people that want to prove the worthiness of raw over pasteurization, and vice versa, to fund this. To raise 10 would cost $10 each for 50,000 people to have their voice heard on this matter. If you want more cows tested fine...20 would cost $20 each 100 would cost $100 each and so on. I think I'd give a hundred bucks and some 6 months of waiting to shut some folks traps for good and I'm not even bent on everyone being on raw I just like to see the know it alls of the world get taught a thing or two anyway.....wouldn't you give $100 to see that? Is there not that many willing? I think there is, and I don't think it would be all that hard to do. IF those of you who swear by raw are willing to get something started. If not, then no, it won't ever happen.

Why does everybody always wait on someone else to do for them what they could do for themselves like this guy did?! Pay him to do it on a larger scale Get some folks together and toss some cash at it. That's the problem with the real world versus corporate to begin with....THEY have all the money and make all the rules and want to keep it that way. Nothing better than the element of suprise, slap them back with the same thing they do to us.

I'm off my soapbox, but dang it if ya want something done nothing should ever stop you. Question is how bad do you want it? Bad enough to put YOUR money where your mouth is? or not?

I'm just sayin......

 

[Wifezilla]

This kind of small scale test is the only way we are going to get the info and preliminary data that could drive a larger study.

Science has been coopted. Experiments that should be done aren't. Research facilities will lose their funding from big corporate interests if the facts are actually known.

Each person has been forced to become their own "research facility". We experiment on ourselves because the medical community lies. We experiment on our pets because pet food manufacturers lie. We experiment on our animals because the USDA lies.

After reading something like this, if I had cows, I would try the experiment for myself. I would encourage other farmers to try it. Then you analyze. Do my results match his? Did my friends have the same results?

In no time you have a large study even though it isn't done at one time and in one spot.

 

[Wannabefree]

See WZ THAT is what I'm talking about. I can't have cows on my small acreage, but I'd willingly help finance someone who DOES have the land to do this. I can afford the hooves if somebody else can front the bill for other parts of an "experiment cow."

 

[Bubblingbrooks]

This kind of small scale test is the only way we are going to get the info and preliminary data that could drive a larger study.

Science has been coopted. Experiments that should be done aren't. Research facilities will lose their funding from big corporate interests if the facts are actually known.

Each person has been forced to become their own "research facility". We experiment on ourselves because the medical community lies. We experiment on our pets because pet food manufacturers lie. We experiment on our animals because the USDA lies.

After reading something like this, if I had cows, I would try the experiment for myself. I would encourage other farmers to try it. Then you analyze. Do my results match his? Did my friends have the same results?

In no time you have a large study even though it isn't done at one time and in one spot.

Hey, I even experiment on myself

I could feasably do this when we have goat babies this summer, but I'm not sure I have the guts to do it.
I mean really, you saw how that malnourished one looked. Imagine how he felt

 

[abifae]

I'm off my soapbox, but dang it if ya want something done nothing should ever stop you. Question is how bad do you want it? Bad enough to put YOUR money where your mouth is? or not?

I'm just sayin......

My money is where my mouth is: I buy my raw milk through a cow share program.

If they raised their price to cover a study like this, I'd pay more into it. I just don't think that wide scale testing will make folk switch over to raw milk any more than wide scale dietary tests will get most folk off wonder bread LOL.

And honestly... do we WANT corporations to get interested and ruin it all?

 

[Wannabefree]

I'm off my soapbox, but dang it if ya want something done nothing should ever stop you. Question is how bad do you want it? Bad enough to put YOUR money where your mouth is? or not?

I'm just sayin......

My money is where my mouth is: I buy my raw milk through a cow share program.

If they raised their price to cover a study like this, I'd pay more into it. I just don't think that wide scale testing will make folk switch over to raw milk any more than wide scale dietary tests will get most folk off wonder bread LOL.

And honestly... do we WANT corporations to get interested and ruin it all?

No I'm saying screw corporations. We should have the right to sell and profit from raw milk though. People should have the choice, and if enough folks make enough noise they HAVE to pay attention Honestly I'd rather BUY the raw milk than produce it, but no shares available anywhere near here. So I am forced to produce for my own consumption when the choice should be mine to begin with if I want the pasteurized or not from WHOEVER I want to buy it from.

Not everybody is going to want raw even if it is made available, but those that do should have a choice. The closest raw I can get is an hour away and $8 a gallon It wouldn't be so darn high if it were readily available and LEGAL everywhere. so I gots goats Other people can't do that though