Questions about small acreage homesteads

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Let's see...according to my NC gardening book...;)...I am in USDA hardiness zone 7b...annual precip in inches is about 55 (sorry, it doesn't break down by dry/wet seasons). Avg 1st fall frost is in November, last spring frost is in mid-April.

We live in a "development", but it's in the middle of nowhere...it's considered "unincorporated" (not part of any town or city), so we only pay county taxes & the only zoning requirements are for building. We have our own well, & as I mentioned before, the leach (sp?) field for the septic takes up a good part of the backyard (hence, not being able to plant trees there).

No allergies to any food that I know of. Yeah, I have quirky tastes, not like my will-eat-anything hubby, but that's another story. :)

Does that help at all...?
Helps a bunch!

You said you already have chickens and since you are a beginner at this I personally would recommend that you hold status quo for a while without adding any other animals, especially since you are a vegetarian. Bees may be the exception to that rule.

I ultimately believe that you WILL branch out into other animals later (especially if you hang around here!), but for now I think it is important to learn the gardening skills and focus on things a bit until you get good at them. Once the confidence level is up... try something new. ;)

For beginners with little space, I like to recommend things that really pack a punch in a small space. Also things that are high dollar that you buy a lot of. Example for me at least is the tomato.

Around here we eat a LOT of tomatoes and tomato products, like salsa, marina sauce, ketchup and barbecue sauce. This makes tomatoes a MUST grow item in my garden and I try to devote a lot of space to them.

Tomatoes have lots of varieties and come in two basic types - determinate and indeterminate. Determinate tomatoes are often grown in containers. They will basically produce one big flush of tomatoes and then slow WAY down or stop. Indeterminate tomatoes (the kind I always grow) are hard to deal with in a small space because they continue to grow and vine all over the place all summer long. The good side to that is they produce tomatoes over a long season, so for me it is worth the hassle.

I would very much recommend you start off with a raised bed or if not raised at least a "defined" garden bed. By raising or defining the garden bed you save energy and costs by not amending the part of the garden used for paths - just the part you are actually growing in. The rule is that you should be easily able to reach to the center of a bed and it should be accessible from each side as well. You should be able to reach in and weed or pick without stepping in your bed soil and thus compacting it. Length does not matter. It could be a mile long if the area allows for that. Beds should also be where they receive full sun because most veggies thrive in that.

I love the idea of hauling manure from a local stable and amending the soil. For this first bed it may be a little labor intensive, but I would dig out about half of the native soil, add a thick layer of bark chips, a layer of sand a layer of manure and then pile your soil back in. The bark chips and sand will both help with drainage and the bark will actually provide a sponge of sorts to help hold moisture and keep soil evenly moist. Adding the manure (with the bedding that is usually mixed in to it) adds nitrogen and humus. Again helping to keep the soil aerated.

I place a line of tall 8 foot T-posts down the center of my beds and like to attach fencing to that with as large of a mesh as possible. (Concrete reinforcement wire works well.) I keep this "permanent fence" about 18 inches off of the ground surface. Setting up a bed in this fashion really gives you space to use.

I consider all veggies of three basic growth types. I have the "Ups" like tomatoes, peppers, pole beans, peas, cucumbers and other like viney things.
The "Downs" beets, carrots, onions, potatoes etc... you get the idea. And last of all the "Outs" like cabbages, broccoli, lettuce, kale, bush beans and bush varieties of squash.

With a bed set up like above I plan my "Ups" first. They are assigned center space on the "fence". Between or at the base of the "Ups" go some "Downs". Then the "Outs" fill in spaces near the edge of the beds. I use Square Foot gardening rules and as much mulch as possible. Each year I add manure in the late fall and more mulch all of the time. I try to dig as little as possible.

I also grow a lot of container plants. Herbs give a lot of bang for the space. You can grow enough herbs for your family AND plenty for gifts in a few large pots on the patio.

Let those chickens go to work. Pick a spot for a future bed and fence it off as your chickens summer home. Let them dig and peck and poo. Next year move the hens and turn the soil. I move my hens into my garden space to spend the winter each year. I toss in a couple of bales of straw to help keep them high and dry and by spring the garden looks like I tilled it.

Finally on fruit. I would try to find a place for another apple tree. One reason that you are not getting apples might be lack of proper fertilization. I would really check out grafted trees from Miller or Stark Bros or another fruit tree specialty nursery. Grafted trees carry several types of apple on the same tree giving you LOTS of bang for the space. I have a grafted "Fruit Cocktail Tree" in my front yard that produces peaches, apricots, nectarines and plums (which all belong to the same family) on one tree. It rocks!
 

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i_am2bz said:
Now, I'll be honest, I've never heard of purple hull peas, so I will have to do some research on them. Are they actually PEA peas, you know, like you eat for dinner...?

I've thought about bee-keeping before...I seem to remember a local college here was offering a class & giving you some of the equipment as part of it. I think it was to encourage local people to do it in order to help the bee population. Do many people here do it? It doesn't look too hard...hee hee...but what do I know??
Purple hull peas are similar to black eyed peas, but they taste better. They grow in a long purple pod, and then you have to shuck the pods to get the finished product. They are exactly the peas Ieat for dinner. But they're not he sweet green peas, if that's what you mean.

There are lots of folks here who keep bees. This is just one of my pursuits, so i'm not in it yet, but soon....
 

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Farmfresh said:
I second what Bee has to say. Clay soils are very fertile... they just lack the little air spaces that allow roots to breath easily.

Certain crops like potatoes and carrots will have to be container grown, but lots of us are growing "trash can taters" and the like anyway since it requires less labor and gives usually a better yield.

Some soil amendments like adding sand or bark chip mulch to the soil beds work well and are quite cost effective.
My hubby's new assignment is to find a used tiller on craigslist for me. This clay is like ROCK!! I got spoiled when I lived in VT, I was able to borrow my neighbor's tiller, but none of my neighbors here garden. :/

Anyway, I would love to grow taters...don't they require really sandy soil? And how big a container do you need - an actual trash can? Or one of those 1/2 barrels? I've never grown them before, b/c I heard you needed a lot of space.
 

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i_am2bz said:
Farmfresh said:
I second what Bee has to say. Clay soils are very fertile... they just lack the little air spaces that allow roots to breath easily.

Certain crops like potatoes and carrots will have to be container grown, but lots of us are growing "trash can taters" and the like anyway since it requires less labor and gives usually a better yield.

Some soil amendments like adding sand or bark chip mulch to the soil beds work well and are quite cost effective.
My hubby's new assignment is to find a used tiller on craigslist for me. This clay is like ROCK!! I got spoiled when I lived in VT, I was able to borrow my neighbor's tiller, but none of my neighbors here garden. :/

Anyway, I would love to grow taters...don't they require really sandy soil? And how big a container do you need - an actual trash can? Or one of those 1/2 barrels? I've never grown them before, b/c I heard you needed a lot of space.
ldychef2k grew her potatoes in buckets this year and had really good results as i recall. i think there are pictures on her journal.
 

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Oh, & a good share of the back yard is the septic system, so obviously I couldn't grow trees there.
My raised beds are on top of my drain field. You don't want to plant your garden in the ground there because you don't want the extra water to fill up the drain field, but raised beds work just fine. And it keeps my DH from driving the tractor over it :p
 

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Wow, Farm Fresh!! That's a lot to absorb all at once...! Gotta sleep on it & start all my questions tomorrow...:D
 

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PunkinPeep said:
Purple hull peas are similar to black eyed peas, but they taste better. They grow in a long purple pod, and then you have to shuck the pods to get the finished product. They are exactly the peas Ieat for dinner. But they're not he sweet green peas, if that's what you mean.
Ya'll got any recipes for them...?
 

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i_am2bz said:
PunkinPeep said:
Purple hull peas are similar to black eyed peas, but they taste better. They grow in a long purple pod, and then you have to shuck the pods to get the finished product. They are exactly the peas Ieat for dinner. But they're not he sweet green peas, if that's what you mean.
Ya'll got any recipes for them...?
Nothing special. Just sear some back in a pan, then add peas and water. Simmer for about two hours, stirring periodically. Season to taste.

Serving with cornbread would be appropriate, but they're great as a side or as a main course.

For storage, you can can them, you can parboil and freeze in water, and you can store them unwashed in bags. Many recommend storing unwashed in a pillow case, but i didn't have an available pillow case, so plastic bags have worked just fine for me. Of course, we'll have them eaten before the year's out, so maybe not for long term storage.

They're so good fresh like that though.
 

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i_am2bz said:
Oh, & a good share of the back yard is the septic system, so obviously I couldn't grow trees there.
My raised beds are on top of my drain field. You don't want to plant your garden in the ground there because you don't want the extra water to fill up the drain field, but raised beds work just fine. And it keeps my DH from driving the tractor over it :p
This sounds like a great idea! I was wondering if it would work, but since we currently don't have a septic system and the THREE that I have had to deal with are my home growing up (with the drain field on the side of a pretty steep hill), my sister's (with drain field at bottom of a hill) and lake (with drain field VERY rock covered) I was not brave enough to suggest it. :cool:
 

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I would also use GREAT caution in using a tiller in CLAY soils. The tines of the tiller tend to beat down a layer at their furthest depths making an impenetrable layer of clay that will just not drain.

You would be MUCH better off in the long haul with some good potato forks and a couple of strong backs. Sounds horrible at first, but we would be working for as NO till a system as possible in the long run.

A book to read - Ruth Stout's No Work Garden Book. I found one in my Library.

Here is a You tube video from our own Jason (modern_pioneer) about basket potatoes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBdHls9zzk
 
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