Very strange casting

[SageMother]

I heard that Sinatra stood up to hotel owners who wouldn't let Black performers eat in their restaurants.

If that's hard to get along with, we need more of it.

 

[heretoday]

By "goon", do you mean criminal or crime boss?

During the Rat Pack's day he was far from "goon" material, IMHO.

I meant "goon" as extremely bad-mannered, a bully. Sinatra used to beat people up with his "security" close by, to make sure S. was the winner. Or, he'd tell his "security" to beat someone up, and he'd watch.
Perhaps I should have said "goonish", didn't mean to offend anyone, is that better?
I give S. all the props in the world for standing behind Sammy Davis Jr, and helping him to beat his part of the colour barrier. (Read Yes I Can, SD Jr's autobiography, and you'll read about a very good side of S.)
But, in other parts of his life, S. was an ***hole. Sorry, but it's true.

 

[heretoday]

....and he couldn't sing worth a ****.

 

[SageMother]

I meant "goon" as extremely bad-mannered, a bully. Sinatra used to beat people up with his "security" close by, to make sure S. was the winner. Or, he'd tell his "security" to beat someone up, and he'd watch.
Perhaps I should have said "goonish", didn't mean to offend anyone, is that better?
I give S. all the props in the world for standing behind Sammy Davis Jr, and helping him to beat his part of the colour barrier. (Read Yes I Can, SD Jr's autobiography, and you'll read about a very good side of S.)
But, in other parts of his life, S. was an ***hole. Sorry, but it's true.

Sinatra's era was completely different from ours, so I bet some of his nasty behavior was simply accepted by those who have been groomed to feed it. The gender roles of the time take on a whole new color when they are augmented by money and a mistaken sense of entitlement.

 

[heretoday]

Just as Abraham Lincoln in his time, can be thought to be a racist by today's folk who only judge his words and not factoring in the context of his time. In a time when the general public either were unsure that black people were even human beings, or that God's punishment made slavery his will; Lincoln's words show him to be, at the very least, progressive.

 

[katharina]

Just as Abraham Lincoln in his time, can be thought to be a racist by today's folk who only judge his words and not factoring in the context of his time.

You're not kidding here... I've seen newspapers from eras past and it's unbelievable the things they were able to get away with... the labels.

 

[heretoday]

It's a really good education into the time you're interested in to be able to read a newspaper or a popular magazine that was current.
Just a little off topic, perhaps, but a few years ago a friend found an old copy of what I guess you could call the People Magazine of it's time, at her grandmother's house. We found an ad in it that was talking about Lysol and how effective it was, used for douching! That had to be the most *interesting* historical fact we gleaned from the mag!