Your thought please.

[MorelCabin]

Well I never encouraged my kids to drink milk after weaning...milk is a mucous forming drink, and it also is meant to be digested by a mammal with two stomachs:>) Sooo, I never pushed it...I believe that calcium could be gotten in much more nutricious ways. Milk also is a major contributor to strep infections.
What really got me to think about it was when I read a book (Food for Life) and they asked this one question...if humans were meant to drink milk after weaning, then why is it we don't see bussiness men in suits out in the feild suckling a cow??? That kind of brought it home for me :>)
And why is it that when we think in terms of drinking milk as adults...the last milk we want to drink is that of our own species????

 

[FarmerDenise]

I finished reading the article and I tend to agree with most of what is stated.
This does not mean that I will stop drinking milk completely. I will continue in my current habit of having it in my coffee, using it in cooking and drinking the occasional glass of whole milk.
I also love cheeses and other "processed" milk products like yogurt and buttermilk.

I think some people need to stay away completely and others are ok with consuming some dairy. I do also think that it is pushed way too much on children.

As with everything, it is good to educate yourself and then make your own decision based on what you learn. I also don't believe every new study that comes out and I don't go for every new food fad either.
That is precicesly why I like to grow my own food and process it myself. I prefer to eat food that has been eaten by humans for thousands of years in quantities that are reasonable (not one extreme or another), not some new fangled stuff invented by Monsanto or some other business trying to make money off a basic human need without concern of the long term negative consequences to the human race or the planet.

Edited for typos

 

[Wifezilla]

Dr. Kradjian marshals overwhelming evidence from hundreds of unbiased studies that a diet that is high in vegetables and extremely low in animal fatmeaning little or no meat, milk, or eggsdramatically reduces incidence of breast cancer and most other cancers.

OMG...I almost shot coffee with heavy cream out of my nose reading this. LOL

I was looking around to see what Dr. Kradjian's background was.

Apparently he is a vegetarian nut job with little or no understanding of human biology, endocrinology, cell structure, or evolution. If this guy says "don't drink milk" or "don't eat meat" I would immediately double my intake of both.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

OMG...I almost shot coffee with heavy cream out of my nose reading this. LOL

hee hee hee thats what i was just laughing with my hubby about. the only 'diet' that works for me is what i'm doing now: whole dairy and meat meat meat and more meat. with veggies and whole grains.

however

i do understand her mother's concern about the kids and pasteurizing the milk. i tell our friends that its a 'mommy' decision with our raw goat milk and the products (cheese and yogurt and stuff)... so i provide all the disclaimers so they can make their own decision.

otoh i know families who threw out all the disclaimers and give their kids raw honey, milk, cider, etc etc etc.

so to her original question - its something for you to decide. us here, we are raw milk and never better.

 

[hwillm1977]

otoh i know families who threw out all the disclaimers and give their kids raw honey, milk, cider, etc etc etc.

so to her original question - its something for you to decide. us here, we are raw milk and never better.

I can remember as a child walking to the neighbours barn, getting him to milk a cow into my mug, walking home and putting it on my cereal, still warm from the cow.... that was probably the nicest milk I've ever had.

 

[enjoy the ride]

Pasturization is not a whim of the milk industry. People used to die fairly often because of bacteria in milk. I can remember stories about deaths from toxins in stuff the cows ate when I was a kid. Listeria passes quite easily through into milk and can kill unborn babies.
Just because pasturization has made those stories few and far between and the media no longer understands these cases to report them doesn't mean they don't happen.
Luckily anti-biotics still help those who do get infected mostly.
As long as the greater masses are drinking pasturized milk, these problems will still be rare. But not unknown.
Sort of like a casino's operation- most of the time they can count on what probablity provides and the few losses can be ignored.

 

[freemotion]

Well I never encouraged my kids to drink milk after weaning...milk is a mucous forming drink, and it also is meant to be digested by a mammal with two stomachs:>) Sooo, I never pushed it...I believe that calcium could be gotten in much more nutricious ways. Milk also is a major contributor to strep infections.
What really got me to think about it was when I read a book (Food for Life) and they asked this one question...if humans were meant to drink milk after weaning, then why is it we don't see bussiness men in suits out in the feild suckling a cow??? That kind of brought it home for me :>)
And why is it that when we think in terms of drinking milk as adults...the last milk we want to drink is that of our own species????

I see some problems with the logic by the author of Food for Life. When was the last time you saw a business man in a suit carving a steak off a cow in a field? Or when was the last time you saw a business man in a suit pulling a carrot from a field for his lunch salad? Same logic. Doesn't work for me.

I can apply the same argument to human milk vs cow's (or goat's) milk...we will eat a steak from a cow but wouldn't eat a steak from a person.

And for all the Christians here.....why would the term, "a land flowing with milk and honey" be used if milk were a bad thing? Why not say fruit and honey? Grain and honey?

I used to be one who felt that humans shouldn't drink milk once weaned, or if they did, it should be used as a condiment only, and not as a beverage. Now that I understand the structural changes that take place on a molecular level when milk is pasteurized, or especially when ultra-pasteurized, I can see the difference. One is a slurry of toxins and the other is beneficial food (intolerances and allergies excepted, of course.)

 

[miss_thenorth]

Well, since the birth of the new little lambs, I haven't researched any more of this, but iI came to draw some of my own conclusions.
1- As Pat says, people have been drinking milk for eons. pasteurized for a while. good back then for them, must be all right for us?

2-In looking for incriminating evidence against raw milk to appease my mom, this article is the only one negative in any sense (other than peta's got pus blurb), about raw, and he bashes all milk, not just raw. Alot the rest, from varied sources, are ok with raw milk.

2-He is a cancer researcher. While he focuses on milk as the nectar of the devils, he fails to address or acknowledge other causes for cancer.

I figure his extreme tone is trying to compensate for something. His name is linked to alot of vegetarian and peta realated threads.

My biggest thing is:99.9% of findings, when searching for info on raw milk are favourable, and this is THE only thing I could find against it, and as said before, it is against milk period. while some of his findings are thought provoking, I have chalked him up to a radical.

My conclusions? My Duchess has babies, and soon will provide milk for us. I will find out where to send the milk to be tested for our consumption, and will have the raw milk that we have been looking T

Thanks all .

 

[Wifezilla]

And for all the Christians here.....why would the term, "a land flowing with milk and honey" be used if milk were a bad thing? Why not say fruit and honey? Grain and honey?

While I am a heathen, I did grow up reading the bible. Not only was milk and honey mentioned, God apparently had a taste for some good fatty meat....

"In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard."

Milk, honey and meat.....yummmmmm

 

[freemotion]

I just followed a link from another thread and found this quote by Jackie Clay in Backwoods Home magazine in response to a question about pasteurizing goat's milk for children: "I know my own babies who drank both breast milk and raw goats milk picked up a lot more bacteria off toys and their own fingers than they ever did from the milk. Goats milk is great."

Statistically, one is more likely to get food poisoning from purchased produce than from raw milk....2.5 times more likely!