Agenda 21

[TanksHill]

 

[JRmom]

Public Schools - nope, don't participate but paid for with my tax dollars
Public transportation - nope, don't participate but paid for with my tax dollars
Public libraries - but paid for with my tax dollars
Roads - paid for with my tax dollars
Water distribution - have a well but paid for with my tax dollars
Sanitation departments - paid for with my tax dollars
Social Security - nope, won't be seeing any of that but paid for with my tax dollars
Unemployment benefits - nope, never participated but paid for with my tax dollars
Farm Subsidies - nope, never participated but paid for with my tax dollars
Paid fire departments - paid for with my tax dollars
Public parks - paid for with my tax dollars

Do not see your point in listing these.

 

[Wannabefree]

Farmer Jamie is at work but he says X2!!!

 

[Buster]

I'd be very interested in seeing your documentation of this "fact".

All of the following are paid for by the collective...
Public Schools
Public transportation
Public libraries
Roads
Water distribution
Sanitation departments
Social Security
Unemployment benefits
Farm Subsidies
Paid fire departments
Public parks...

Need I go on?

For most of these there is a choice of whether or not to partake. Choice is not a socialist ideal. I'm not sure these quite ft into the realm of socialism, though they do indeed resemble it a bit.

You pay for them with your tax dollars, whether you use them or not. They are collectively owned for the good of the collective. That is socialism. You take advantage of socialism every time you drive down a publicly funded and maintained road.

 

[Buster]

Public Schools - nope, don't participate but paid for with my tax dollars
Public transportation - nope, don't participate but paid for with my tax dollars
Public libraries - but paid for with my tax dollars
Roads - paid for with my tax dollars
Water distribution - have a well but paid for with my tax dollars
Sanitation departments - paid for with my tax dollars
Social Security - nope, won't be seeing any of that but paid for with my tax dollars
Unemployment benefits - nope, never participated but paid for with my tax dollars
Farm Subsidies - nope, never participated but paid for with my tax dollars
Paid fire departments - paid for with my tax dollars
Public parks - paid for with my tax dollars

Do not see your point in listing these.

You paid for them and CAN use them, whether you do or not is irrelevant. You pooled your money for the public good.

Socialism.

 

[Wannabefree]

All of the following are paid for by the collective...
Public Schools
Public transportation
Public libraries
Roads
Water distribution
Sanitation departments
Social Security
Unemployment benefits
Farm Subsidies
Paid fire departments
Public parks...

Need I go on?

For most of these there is a choice of whether or not to partake. Choice is not a socialist ideal. I'm not sure these quite ft into the realm of socialism, though they do indeed resemble it a bit.

You pay for them with your tax dollars, whether you use them or not. They are collectively owned for the good of the collective. That is socialism. You take advantage of socialism every time you drive down a publicly funded and maintained road.

So a PORTION of the things we have (just for arguments sake here) is socialistic. That does NOT make Americans socialists. Socialism is all encompassing, not just pick and choose. I could say your family is socialist by the same argument, because you eat together, and kids do chores. If that's the case, hardly anybody on earth is not socialist. It just doesn't fit the term socialist at all. It's like saying a shirt with a tiny pink dot on a green shrt...is a pink shirt...it's just not.

 

[Buster]

So a PORTION of the things we have (just for arguments sake here) is socialistic. That does NOT make Americans socialists. Socialism is all encompassing, not just pick and choose.

Well, no it isn't. That is a misconception many folks have. No system is either 100% socialist or 100% capitalist. It is always a mix. Always.

The vast majority of Americans believe in various forms of socialist institutions and take advantage of them on a daily basis. That makes them socialists.

So, when folks start hollering this or that new law or institution or whatever is "socialist", they are just saying they don't like THAT socialism, even though they are perfectly happy with other manifestations of socialism.

Socialism is just a four letter word people throw around so they don't have to talk about the particular issue or problem, or to just get folks riled up. They know perfectly well what they are doing when they do it.

Socialism is good.

 

[Wifezilla]

Hitler hated socialists.

The socialists and the communists did hate each other even though they were different sides of the same coins. They both sought to work together at different points in history to get rid of the evil capitalists thinking once the capitalists were out of the way, they would take out the other party and then win.

the vast majority of Americans are socialists. They just don't know it.

Sad, but true.

Socialism is good.

Individuals choosing to work in a collective or socialist manner for projects on a voluntary basis is good. Institutionalized socialism is bad.

 

[Wannabefree]

Then why does the government not own all of our businesses? We are not socialist. We may very well be headed that direction, but we aren't there yet.

Since when is socialism good? What's good about it? Nothing IMO. Now, I am going to leave this thread before I start getting irritated. I simply can not see where we are, nor where we should be, a socialist nation. Ever. :/

 

[FarmerChick]

wanna
we are not a socialist nation (not in the terms many throw around) and I agree, we won't ever be.

here is a good website kinda showing how the 'word' socialism fits into america.

too many 'ways to define' socialism in any society.





just throwing this out to read. it helps to understand a bit (well at least it did for me HA HA)

I think SO MANY people don't have a real clue what socialism means.....cause there truly is tons of ways it can be used to describe any society.




Quote:
America is a happy mix of both, so much so that most folks don't know the difference.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG...ism-in-Americ-by-Gene-Messick-081110-646.html