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SSDreamin

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I do not wish for TSHTF, secretly or otherwise. That is DH's biggest fear right now, but not mine. I feel, personally, we will slide slowly down, as a country, into another, protracted depression. This fear of reliving the horror stories my grandparents used to tell me, possibly magnified by who knows how much, drives me to return to the life I had as a child. There was very little that our homestead did not provide us but, what little it didn't, my Dad bartered for. I grew up thinking everybody who could gathered their own eggs, milked their own cows, sewed their own clothes, worked their land to their benefit and canned their bounty. I assumed, as a child might, that all the stuff at the grocery store was just the extras from farms like ours, packaged up fancy so they people who lived in the city would like them. I don't remember much change at all (in routine) during the times we'd lose power for whatever reason, other than switching from the stove to the woodstove and having to use the outhouse more often. I liked the feeling living there gave me and I want that for my DS. If I do have a secret in my heart, it's that, if it is fear that has driven me to this change in my families life, I am secretly grateful for it. I sat on my porch the other night, smelling the intermingling of cow and the fresh cut grass that my neighbor calls ' the hay field' and felt contentment in my soul. I may wish for a return to common sense: In gov't, in people and in corporations. I would never wish for a complete collapse of our system. As has already been pointed out, it would be horrible, no matter how much you were prepared it probably wouldn't be enough and it would definitely suck!

As for the rich/poor part of the post, I struggle with that. It's all a perception thing after all, isn't it? By many people's standards, DH and I are rich. By many people's standards, we aren't. Most of the priorities of our friends and family are not the same as ours, but it wasn't that long ago that ours fell right in line with theirs. We are still paying off the remnants of our old priorities. I worry for them, although I realize they have to make their own choices and live with them. If TSHTF, I know it will be much harder for them to adjust and try to come to grips with the fact that many of them will be UNABLE to make the adjustment, but I can't force them to change any more than they can force me to close my eyes and go back to our old life.

I had a babysitter who liked to say "If the rich man is not happy in his heart, he is worse off than the beggar in the street". She was 'poor' by most people's standards but often said she had just what she needed "and not a drop more" and was happy in her soul. I hope I can reach that point some day.
 

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a poor person can be just as unhappy than one with money

just cause one is 'considered well off' and unhappy...don't be thinking it is the money part that is making them unhappy lol

there is a million reasons ANYONE can be unhappy.

for me I would rather be unhappy with alot of cash than unhappy with no cash :p

everyone spouts, I know these people who are unhappy but have money---blah blah, oh yea....like only the poor have problems, only the rich have problems, only the, only the......geez everyone's circumstances are so different.



Sunsaver---while you want to 'hurt the brats' --many good people are hurt also in a disaster.
lets just wipe everyone out since most people stink anyway right?
 

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As for the rich/poor part of the post, I struggle with that. It's all a perception thing after all, isn't it? By many people's standards, DH and I are rich. By many people's standards, we aren't. Most of the priorities of our friends and family are not the same as ours
I think this gets to the heart of the original post. How would you feel standing in a crowd of people who's focus and priorities are so far off from yours you can't relate?

How did the ant feel after his first conversation with the grasshopper?
 

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I don't believe this whole discussion should be about "haves and have nots" or "rich vs poor", and not about us po'folk making ourselves feel better by running down the rich people and fooling ourselves into thinking they are somehow less happy than us.

The essential question by OP was:

Boogity said:
Do you ever secretly wish that our country would go through a SHTF scenario to shake us up and get us back on track?
I think that, if everyone here was honest with themselves, the majority would have to admit to at least the fleeting thought of that sort. How about when somebody laughs at you for stocking up? Didn't you, just for a second, wish you were suddenly proved right?
Speaking for myself, I don't go around fantasizing about it but I have had the odd thought like that. It doesn't make me a bad person for doing so, and :tongue to anyone who thinks I am.

However, the references to "our country" and getting "us back on track" smells of political pontification and I want no part of that.
I learned long ago that most of the world thinks unlike I do and I have a strong belief in letting others do as they please, so long as it doesn't take a slice from my pie or impede my own life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
 

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Wifezilla said:
How would you feel standing in a crowd of people who's focus and priorities are so far off from yours you can't relate?

How did the ant feel after his first conversation with the grasshopper?
Yeah, that too. Part of the thought process is all about alienation and a certain level of resentment.
 

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Well I would definitely not want to see the SHTF...I don't think many people are really and truly prepared for what could come out of it. And if you think you are, you'll die defending yourself or lose it mentally from having to shed so much blood protecting it all form those who will be trying to get at it. Would you be willing to kill your family and friends to protect it? If you would, then I really wouldn't want to know you:)

I, for one am not prepared in the least. Prepared to weather a storm and a prolonged power outage, yes...but prepared for the biggest nightmare ever..no way! I love my quiet country life, love that I can be much more independant than most, love that I probably would ever have to go to a shelter in case of weather related issues. I am prepared for as much snow as the North can throw at me...and cold too. But maybe one day I will have to eat these words...cause one can never say never.

As for the rich/poor disagreements here...all I have to say is that yes, there are many ignorant people on both sides. There are many happy people on both sides, and just as many unhappy. I fall in the middle bracket, not rich, not poor. What we have is almost paid for. Been fairly frugal in many ways but also have made some wise investents through the years in tangable items that helped us get to where we are now.
We are living below our means on purpose, and it feels great to not have any money worries.
And I am very happy by nature, and by faith.
Couldn't be bothered with the latest gadgets, I'm not a shopper, and don't brag about what I drive...but if you really want to know I do drive a newer all wheel drive BMW, bought used, for reliability...and I really have to admit i do like it :hide Does it make me any better than anybody else, definitely NOT!
 

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I secretly wish that everyone would wake up and get smart before the need to do so.... ;)
 

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I had a long drawn out post about financial security, health and taking care of my kids but I deleted it.

No, I would not wish TSHTF on us or anyone for that matter. Especially while I am in Ca.

I have seen the effect of a business failure on the wealthy. It's ugly. They do learn a couple lessons but many habits are hard for them to break.


:hu

Not all of us are preparing for the end of the world as we know it. Some just like the feeling of security it brings. For anything that may happen.

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Wifezilla said:
As for the rich/poor part of the post, I struggle with that. It's all a perception thing after all, isn't it? By many people's standards, DH and I are rich. By many people's standards, we aren't. Most of the priorities of our friends and family are not the same as ours
I think this gets to the heart of the original post. How would you feel standing in a crowd of people who's focus and priorities are so far off from yours you can't relate?

How did the ant feel after his first conversation with the grasshopper?
unless you crashed the party...you were invited. so I would think someone would have something in common with you...like the person who invited you....and since they have children or younger adults in the family, geez they would attend.

maybe it best to leave if one feels so uncomfortable? or come onto a forum and trash the persons party and family and friends :p
 
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