I watched the documentary "Fat Head" ....

[FarmerChick]

I wouldn't say "in abundance" as they usually only get two turkeys and eat the breast only....and have to share with the rest of us hogs, normally!

But, yes, they do indulge...well, they did. Now they don't hunt since Dad's decline these past few years.

I am now introducing Mom to my eggs and she is starting to add this to her vegan diet....go figure! She says she has never tasted better eggs...even the ones we had while growing up. I think she has just been deprived for too long....

No, they don't approach it the way most do. When they first started this lifestyle they were already low-fat junkies and has multiple health problems. They had always been physically fit and watched their weight. They went into this vegan thing whole-heartedly and only started breaking over with the wild turkey consumption in the past 5 years...it was kind of funny to us.

When they started this new thing, they lost weight down to an optimal level and then never lost another pound, nor gained any, for 15 years. Daily wt. bearing exercise and eating mostly raw has been so beneficial to them that, other than Dad's ALZ, they have no physical health problems.

Your parents did the menu for life thing right!

 

[Wifezilla]

prehistoric foragers didn't eat all that much meat either. there were whole parts of the year where hunting was almost impossible or the animals just didn't appear. they relied a lot on dried meats and cached plants

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I do agree that soy is insidious. I have given up on using mayo from the store ever again.

 

[Beekissed]

Not sure, FC...I think it's some variation of the Hallelujah diet/lifestyle. They kind of adapt things to suit them and it has suited them very well. They used to be so very ill and in and out of the hospitals....I didn't care if they had started the Purina diet, as long as it had results like this one did!

The foods they eat are delicious and you don't feel a bit deprived of anything....actually, all the other foods don't taste very good after you have eaten like them for awhile. I know...I did it for 6 months and lost 65 lbs, felt better than I ever have and it was wonderful. Then I slowly slipped into my old lifestyle when I got a different job and I never made it back to the bright side. I still eat a lot like they do but I'm not a purist.

 

[FarmerChick]

ahh, you said the key word....lifestyle

your parents adopting a lifestyle eating change then tweaked it to make them as healthy as possible....so they found the right solution for them.

wow 65 lbs on their eating schedule...but it was too strict for you. I definitely understand that one.

I went with LA Weight Loss and learned how to truly eat portions and how to arrange those portions thru the day. It worked so well for me. NOW I KNOW some say they failed LAWL or it failed them...lol...but for me it worked.

we all find our own ways.

 

[Wifezilla]

there were lots of studies done in the early 90s about diabetes and ethnicity. they were finding that Mexican-Americans (particularly immigrants) had the highest rate of diabetes. this was attributed to the high level of corn in their diet. later studies, however, countered that it wasn't the level of corn in their diet that was the problem. it was their socioeconomic status. Mexican-Americans living below the poverty line were 80% more likely to have diabetes than Mexican-Americans living above the poverty line or Mexicans living in Mexico. they all ate about the same amount of corn.

Here is a great lecture by Gary Taubes where he covers cultures where you end up with obese adults at the same time you get malnutrition in children
http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

 

[bibliophile birds]

prehistoric foragers didn't eat all that much meat either. there were whole parts of the year where hunting was almost impossible or the animals just didn't appear. they relied a lot on dried meats and cached plants

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

that's fine. maybe you've read things that i haven't. i'm basing my information on all those zooarcheology classes i had to take for my degree. it isn't my area of expertise so perhaps i missed some things.

I do agree that soy is insidious. I have given up on using mayo from the store ever again.

insidious is such a good word for soy. the saddest thing is that old world soy supposedly was really good for you, but that kind of soy is near impossible to locate these days, especially outside of rural Asia. how i long to eat some really good edamame and not worry about critical thyroid failure.

mayo is supposed to be easy to make at home, but i've not tried it yet. i don't eat a lot of it, but it's just a matter of time before i really crave some fruit salad and then i'll make some at home.

 

[abifae]

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[Wifezilla]

Me too. I ran out of cat food today so bought ferret food to hold them over

 

[bibliophile birds]

does anyone know of a grain free SOY FREE cat food WITHOUT fish. i think amira might be allergic and i will NOT feed my cat grains dangit.



i'm not only low carb, i promote it for pets since when are cats omnivores????

Taste of the Wild cat food is grain free and soy free but it does have Salmon. the fish is 7th on the ingredient list, so the main protein comes from chicken, peas, and venison. it is a GREAT cat food. literally saved my cats life.

unfortunately, i can't think of any that are free of all three. there has to be some out there, but i can't think of any off hand.

 

[reinbeau]

prehistoric foragers didn't eat all that much meat either. there were whole parts of the year where hunting was almost impossible or the animals just didn't appear. they relied a lot on dried meats and cached plants

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

that's fine. maybe you've read things that i haven't. i'm basing my information on all those zooarcheology classes i had to take for my degree. it isn't my area of expertise so perhaps i missed some things.

Actually, bibliophile birds, you contradicted yourself a bit. If they ate dried meats when they couldn't hunt actively, then they were still eating meat. We have always eaten both meat and plants, our teeth are the proof of that, molars to grind, incisors to rip flesh. I had the daughter of a dear friend of mine go vegan and start to lecture me about how humans actually were strictly herbivores, I asked her why she had incisors and she said we just hadn't 'developed' past them yet

Soy? Don't get me started. Soy threw my thyroid into a tizzy, I avoid it like the plague now. Losing eight pounds in less than two weeks taught me a lesson. I have a hyperactive thyroid, and stress-injured adrenals, plus soy seems to really wreak havoc with my female hormones. Bad stuff, particularly the way we handle them here in the west. I have read the Japanese and Chinese handle their soy differently, that's why they're so healthy on it.