big brown horse
Hoof In Mouth
I agree with you about that fully. What do we tell parents with children with serious heart defects in the mean time?reinbeau said:
Letter to Obama from 4th Grade Teacher
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noobiechickenlady
Almost Self-Reliant
Somebody give the lady a cookie. Preferably a sprouted whole wheat one made with raw honey.
And while we're on that, how about letting loose some of the restrictions on raw milk. For goodness sake, cigarettes kill tons of people every year. Lots of folks die from cirrosis of the liver from too much alcohol. Give us a little surgeon general's warning on the milk and let us make up our own minds. I'd pay an extra coupla dimes for a sticker on the side of the jar.
Know what? I doubt its gonna happen. Too many hands reaching for too many wallets...
And while we're on that, how about letting loose some of the restrictions on raw milk. For goodness sake, cigarettes kill tons of people every year. Lots of folks die from cirrosis of the liver from too much alcohol. Give us a little surgeon general's warning on the milk and let us make up our own minds. I'd pay an extra coupla dimes for a sticker on the side of the jar.
Know what? I doubt its gonna happen. Too many hands reaching for too many wallets...
davaroo
Lovin' The Homestead
The question is really whether you think it's the governments job to take care of anybody.patandchickens said:Indeedy the government always has lots of ****ngs goin' on...davaroo said:
I think that one's perspective on welfare and universal healthcare and so forth depends quite a lot, like hugely, on whether you're feeling grumpy about high taxes and thinking mainly about lazy-ass able-bodied freeloaders who could perfectly well take care of all their problems on their own if they would just get off their tushies... or whether you are thinking mainly about the people who simply need a legitimate temporary tide-me-over or have problems going on that are not their fault (like genuine disability, or a very serious medical problem in selves or children) and just really canNOT be solved by hard work.
It also depends on which you think is worse, supporting some parasites on the system for the sake of all those who legitimately need help, or leaving those who legitimately need help in the lurch for the sake of making sure that nobody can be a freeloader.
Sort of a Rorschach (sp?) test, and not everyone is going to see things the same way, nor do I expect they ever will or even *should*.
It is worth everybody TRYING to see the legitimacy of the other side of the argument, though. Stretching is good exercise
Pat, personally in favor of making sure those in need are taken care of, even if the system is unable to fully filter out the freeloaders (though the system could be trying harder, IMO)
You came into this world naked, you go out that way - what happens in between isn't the governments concern, it's yours.
For another view of this, I've been reading the Foxfire books lately, Most are familiar with these works, writings that would thrill any self-suffiency advocate with their honesty. One citation stuck in my head from just last night.
One of the interviewee's, and old woman was asked, "What do you think about the future."
Her response was that... "it will be bad day when we owe the government. When we are beholden to them, they will be able to take our lands and our rights and people wont be able to be free any more on their own land."
Some think that people need the government to take care of everyone, and we all should sacrifice what we have so that can happen. It's been a steady drumbeat since the turn of the 19th Century, and it starting to stick.
But I'm with the woman from the Foxfire book. Will we one day wake up and say, "O dang, we gave in too much. We cried for them to step in one too many times to solve our problems. Now we can't turn around, on land that was once ours, unless they tell us we can."
Some say we are, for all intents, already there.
big brown horse
Hoof In Mouth
And this is why we are all members of SS fourm!! We have to do it on our own.noobiechickenlady said:
big brown horse
Hoof In Mouth
Nothing I grew in my backyard, or raised on my land could have afforded the heart surgery my daughter had. What is your take on that?davaroo said:The question is really whether you think it's the governments job to take care of anybody.patandchickens said:Indeedy the government always has lots of ****ngs goin' on...davaroo said:
I think that one's perspective on welfare and universal healthcare and so forth depends quite a lot, like hugely, on whether you're feeling grumpy about high taxes and thinking mainly about lazy-ass able-bodied freeloaders who could perfectly well take care of all their problems on their own if they would just get off their tushies... or whether you are thinking mainly about the people who simply need a legitimate temporary tide-me-over or have problems going on that are not their fault (like genuine disability, or a very serious medical problem in selves or children) and just really canNOT be solved by hard work.
It also depends on which you think is worse, supporting some parasites on the system for the sake of all those who legitimately need help, or leaving those who legitimately need help in the lurch for the sake of making sure that nobody can be a freeloader.
Sort of a Rorschach (sp?) test, and not everyone is going to see things the same way, nor do I expect they ever will or even *should*.
It is worth everybody TRYING to see the legitimacy of the other side of the argument, though. Stretching is good exercise
Pat, personally in favor of making sure those in need are taken care of, even if the system is unable to fully filter out the freeloaders (though the system could be trying harder, IMO)
You came into this world naked, you go out that way - what happens in between isn't the governments concern, it's yours.
For another view of this, I've been reading the Foxfire books lately, Most are familiar with these works, writings that would thrill any self-suffiency advocate with their honesty. One citation stuck in my head from just last night.
One of the interviewee's, and old woman was asked, "What do you think about the future."
Her response was that... "it will be bad day when we owe the government. When we are beholden to them, they will be able to take our lands and our rights and people wont be able to be free any more on their own land."
Some think that people need the government to take care of everyone, and we all should sacrifice what we have so that can happen. It's been a steady drumbeat since the turn of the 19th Century, and it starting to stick.
But I'm with the woman from the Foxfire book. Will we one day wake up and say, "O dang, we gave in too much. We cried for them to step in one too many times to solve our problems. Now we can't turn around, on land that was once ours, unless they tell us we can."
Some say we are, for all intents, already there.
reinbeau
Moderator Extraordinaire
What I said really has nothing to do with your specific situation. I agree, your daughter should get the care she needs, and I have a huge problem with insurance companies - it's nothing more than legalized gambling, with the dealer (the insurance company) being able to rearrange the cards any way they want any time they want - it should be illegal.big brown horse said:
big brown horse
Hoof In Mouth
I'm not asking for the government to "take care of me" just fix the darn mess that they have allowed to happen.
People can't afford health insurance or their medicine, most are not asking for a hand out--I WASNT, just help me help myself!!
Believe me if my daughter wasn't sick all the time I may have a different point of view. I could live off the land and survive easily on our income. Sadly she is not well and living off my family's salary (or the insurance I could afford at the time) or the land never would have gotten her heart fixed.
What advice do you have for parents like me.
People can't afford health insurance or their medicine, most are not asking for a hand out--I WASNT, just help me help myself!!
Believe me if my daughter wasn't sick all the time I may have a different point of view. I could live off the land and survive easily on our income. Sadly she is not well and living off my family's salary (or the insurance I could afford at the time) or the land never would have gotten her heart fixed.
What advice do you have for parents like me.
reinbeau
Moderator Extraordinaire
Who are you directing this to?big brown horse said:
noobiechickenlady
Almost Self-Reliant
Lobby your Senators & Representatives. Tell your story on as many channels as you can find. Find others who have experienced the same thing. March on Washington.
Right now, its about all you can do. Unless someone knows about a charity that does work on kids with heart conditions. If we can bring kids from Africa & Somalia to fix heart defects & cleft palates, we should be able to fix our native borns.
BBH, your daughter still has problems even after having her repair?
Right now, its about all you can do. Unless someone knows about a charity that does work on kids with heart conditions. If we can bring kids from Africa & Somalia to fix heart defects & cleft palates, we should be able to fix our native borns.
BBH, your daughter still has problems even after having her repair?
big brown horse
Hoof In Mouth
Anyone. But I suppose it was the Foxfire reference.reinbeau said:
I'm just venting...I've had it up to my ears with insurance companies, hospitals, the pharmasuedical companies doctors etc. It hasn't been an easy job for me to figure out what to do. (Sigh)
