Obama finally called them out

[Big Daddy]

Actually, this conservative does blame Bush for handing us over to the likes of Obama. Micky Mouse could have run, as long as he wasn't Bush, he would have won.

McCain and Caribou Barbie didn't win. I actually like McCain. I think they put Palin with him so he would lose. The RNC didn't want to have to clean up after Bush. Bush sure did look happy on Obama's inauguration day though. I think I heard him singing. "I'm leaving on a jet plane. Don't think that I'll be back again."

Thank the RNC

 

[reinbeau]

McCain is a good man, but he's another RINO. I like Palin, I'm keeping my eye on her, I think she'll do well in the future as a good Conservative candidate.

 

[me&thegals]

So, did you vote for McCain? Sounds like you don't like Obama too much.

Time will tell.

McCain was a loser from the first primary, in my book.

I voted for Sarah. And I will again, even if she is second on the ticket to Huckabee or Romney. Or someone we haven't even met yet. Someone with a spine.

I will for sure vote for the candidate who promises to walk into the Oval office the first day and, by executive order, undo the damage Obama (Zero, The Nothing, Zippo) has done to this country.

The ones I feel the worst for are those who still think a democrat is a democrat. The ones with kind hearts, who only want the best for everyone. They were completely duped by this corrupt thug.

Well, let's not get too personal or anything.

 

[patandchickens]

Human health and the need for care has not changed in 200+ years. Not even in 300+.

No, think about it -- human health expectations, and what health care consists of and how it's provided, have changed MASSIVELY in the last 200 (really, 100) years.

People now expect large inputs of help from other people, both to stay well and to fix things when they're sick or injured.

People now expect state of the art treatments, not gramma's special green ointment and stay-off-it-till-you're-better and well-I-sure-hope-you'll-live-but-who-knows.

Such ready access to professionals and technology (both machines and drugs) requires large amounts of money.

200 years ago, only the well off had any realistic possibility of using doctors, and medicine back then was waaaay different than it is now. Nothing like modern hospital bills or HMO-run services or all those things we take for granted were even IMAGINABLE back then. An "expensive illness" back then would be, like, you got sent to a far away sanatorium in hopes you would spontaneously recover; or paid the doctor (or whomever) to come bleed you every other day. And those things were not options for most people.

Pat

 

[patandchickens]

"A problem in Canada's hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.<snip>
Ash's hospital couldn't handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn't have a neo-natal bed. "So two provinces didn't have enough room, so I have to go to another country," said Ash.

Ah. Now, that is different.

You have to realize, there are waaaaaaay more people (and money, and thus hospitals and hospital beds) in the US than in Canada. Canada may be large geographically but the vast majority of the population is in the lower portion of the provinces that border the US, and furthermore, not many big cities of the type that can support a large fancy hospital. (Not many in comparison with the number of such cities in the US, I mean).

And the problem with NICU units in particular is that the demand really fluctuates. Sometimes you just get a "run" of a bunch of babies with problems all at the same time. This happens in the States, too! The difference is, in the States, there are a whole big lot of other options (other hospitals with NICU beds available). In Canada, not so much.

Oh, sure, funding plays a part -- but it is mostly simply POPULATION.

If you whacked apart the US into a group of states, to form a separate country, that had the same number and geographical distribution of large cities as Canada does, the same problem would exist THERE too.

And, please note, even when sent to US hospitals, Canadian healthcare still PAYS THOSE BILLS, even for very complicated pregnancies/deliveries/babies. For everyone, even the gas station attendant's wife.

Pat

 

[Wifezilla]

The difference is, in the States, there are a whole big lot of other options

Exactly.

 

[reinbeau]

Human health and the need for care has not changed in 200+ years. Not even in 300+.

No, think about it -- human health expectations, and what health care consists of and how it's provided, have changed MASSIVELY in the last 200 (really, 100) years.

Now where in my statement did I say anything at all about expectations? Nowhere. Do not insert words that I didn't say and didn't mean. I don't care what people expect. People expect quite a lot lately from society, but aren't as willing to put in the hard work they themselves should put in. No, Pat, human needs haven't changed one iota.

 

[Wifezilla]

People can always EXPECT to have someone else provide services for free....but it doesn't change the fact that it is stealing if the person you are getting the services from isn't voluntarily providing it.

 

[me&thegals]

Human health and the need for care has not changed in 200+ years. Not even in 300+.

No, think about it -- human health expectations, and what health care consists of and how it's provided, have changed MASSIVELY in the last 200 (really, 100) years.

Now where in my statement did I say anything at all about expectations? Nowhere. Do not insert words that I didn't say and didn't mean. I don't care what people expect. People expect quite a lot lately from society, but aren't as willing to put in the hard work they themselves should put in. No, Pat, human needs haven't changed one iota.

Human needs have changed drastically! We no longer deal with massive disease outbreaks due to filth and unclean water. We no longer often deal with vitamin-deficiency diseases. We don't often deal with diseases related to horrible dental care.

Instead, we deal with heart disease, smoking, alcoholism, obesity. Human health has changed dramatically. The need for care has changed dramatically.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your original statement, but everything has changed, including those 2 things.

 

[patandchickens]

The difference is, in the States, there are a whole big lot of other options

Exactly.

Huh? Perhaps I wasn't clear -- the difference is, in the States, there are a whole big lot of OTHER VERY LARGE CITIES REASONABLY NEARBY. (And thus more big-city-type hospitals)

Unless you are suggesting that the Canadian gov't is somehow lax in not importing extra immigrants and building them a bunch of new, large cities closer-spaced in the landscape


Pat