Obama finally called them out

[reinbeau]

People who lose their homes and go bankrupt over medical costs and yet THIS is the thing that is going to cause a revolution in this country? I just don't get it.

I went bankrupt due to medical costs under the Clinton administration. The tipping point isn't new. For many years, republicans still believed their party was working for them. They know better now. Plus more people know how to blog, how to use meet up, how to use facebook, etc... Plus they get their news is vastly different way now too. This has been a long time coming and as much as people try to portray this is "they hate Obama", that isn't it. We hate ALL the politicians, the slow erosion of our rights and freedoms under both dems and repubs, the lying, the corruption, etc...

Obama was just the one that got stuck holding the hot potato. He didn't start the game though.

Exactly. I was very unhappy with the Bush administration, and was vocal about it. Obama has expanded the bad things that started under Bush. I don't 'hate Obama', I hate his policies and the direction he's trying to push us in. I'm tired of 'representatives' who don't represent me. I live in a state where the speaker of the house actually had the nerve to say they'd vote the way they wanted to, because they knew better than the voters - the people they were elected to represent! They have ignored our votes on several issues, and no doubt will continue to. Now the pendulum is swinging, though, maybe the morons in this state who vote the same idiots into office will finally get a clue and vote the idiots out. We can only hope they'll vote in people who won't let the power corrupt them - but this is Massachusetts, the home of the hacks

As I've said before, the Democrats could have run Micky Mouse and he would have won - Anyone but Bush - because no one was listening to what Obama was saying. He ran on a far left platform and has done exactly what he said he was going to do - there are no surprises there, other than that of watching the people who voted for him suddenly realizing they've voted in someone too far left - and now they want to change his mind. Fat chance. You all got what you voted for. Join the rest of us, who haven't got what we've voted for for over thirteen years now.

 

[Wifezilla]

I was very unhappy with the Bush administration, and was vocal about it.

Same here.

Compean and Ramos turned a lot of people against the republicans.

 

[Big Daddy]

As I've said before, the Democrats could have run Micky Mouse and he would have won - Anyone but Bush - because no one was listening to what Obama was saying. He ran on a far left platform and has done exactly what he said he was going to do - there are no surprises there, other than that of watching the people who voted for him suddenly realizing they've voted in someone too far left - and now they want to change his mind. Fat chance. You all got what you voted for. Join the rest of us, who haven't got what we've voted for for over thirteen years now.

No one is a bit of a blanket statement. That may be true with former Republicans that wanted Bush out. He didn't run on a far left platform. He ran on a barely left of center platform. He would not have been elected if he ran on a far left platform. Edwards was quite a bit left of him. Health care reform was a major item he was running on. If some people didn't even listen to one of his speeches hat is most certainly their problem. I listened to a lot of his speeches as well as some of McCains. I also listened to all the debates. Obama is now trying to deliver what he promised and what people voted him in for. Yes people voted him in. They weren't just voting Bush out. They still had McCain and Caribou Barbie they could have voted for. If it wasn't for all the lies and the misconceptions there would be a lot more support behind the health care plan. It started out at 78%. The economy doesn't help it either. It should help it, but when you are without a job you want to put the blame somewhere. People without a job should be happy to at least have some health care coverage. I'm not really expecting much with this plan. I'm really afraid it will end up being too much like the one that Romney put together.

 

[reinbeau]

Obama's voting record is to the left of Ted Kennedy's. He absolutely ran on a far left platform. And we're getting exactly what he said he would give us. Believe what you will about where Obama sits on the political spectrum, his record shows exactly where he comes from, and where he wants to be.

 

[Wifezilla]

When he was running it was pretty obvious to me he was promising to implement more socialism. Not sure why people are surprised. Got to give him credit for honesty.

 

[me&thegals]

It might help if you defined your view of Socialism for the purpose of this discussion.

 

[enjoy the ride]

t, plus a quick trot through the document):

the right to assemble peaceably
the right to free religion
the right to petition the gov't for redress of grievances
the right of the people to keep and bear arms
the right to freedom from unreasonable search/seizure
the right to speedy and fair trial
the right to vote irrespective of race, color, sex, or tax payment

And... here is the biggie, Article IX of the body of the Constitution itself:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." (translation: "there are other rights the people have that are not specified here")

Well- not quite- what it says is that government shall not abridge the people's rights- not that it gives them. It can not, nor allow it's authorized representatives and subdivisions to allow someone to be arrested (a function of government) based on race alone but it can not make a private indiviual stop making racists statements. Govenment can only exercize its power in the operation of it's business. That is where many conflicts come into play- what is governmental business?
To say that a right is created by Congress passing a law is like your kids saying I can take what ever I want because Mom told me I could have a cookie.
Medicare and Social Secuirty are not rights under the Constitution- the Constitution would have to be amended to make that true. These are simply laws subject to Congress (or the people) changing it or even eliminating it. A person may have rights under those laws but not under the constitution.

And no, I do not think that medical care is a right- That would mean that I would be required to pay with my taxes for every alcoholic's liver transplant as many times as they want it.
Now if we all get together to pass a reasonable law requiring employers to provide health care- that's a possiblity. But as a "right" under the Constitution , no.

 

[reinbeau]

The Constitution limits government and protects our rights, which is what Obama has himself said he 'chafes under'.

 

[me&thegals]

I would also (in addition to defining socialism) appreciate a footnote of Obama's "chafes under" comment, in context.

 

[me&thegals]

And no, I do not think that medical care is a right- That would mean that I would be required to pay with my taxes for every alcoholic's liver transplant as many times as they want it.

I hear you on this one, ETR. However, it seems like a mighty slippery slope. Also, it has been pointed out here or on another thread that sometimes health is a reflection of what the current and past "health knowledge" was. Remember high-carb and fat-free diets?

I can see requiring employers to fund health insurance, but then you have to find a way to cut health costs, subsidize employers (yuck!) or add tarriffs to incoming products to balance the playing field. The exponentially growing health insurance costs are breaking employer's backs (and employees!) I'm not thrilled with how quickly my portion of the premium keeps growing.

What a mess.