Obama finally called them out

[me&thegals]

Of course they contributed 3 illion to his reelection campaign so they should get some bang for the buck.

Is this million, billion, trillion, bazillion?

 

[me&thegals]

In their efforts to craft a bill that would satisfy both sides I'm afraid they will satisfy none.

Seriously, that seems to be the limitation of a democracy. Yes, you have to listen to constituents if you want to get reelected, but to actually get any hard work done.... Sometimes I long for a really wise autocrat who thinks just the way I do. Then, I give myself a good shake and remember all the benefits of democracy.

 

[VT-Chicklit]

Here are some articles regarding allowing the purchase of Health Insurance across state lines, which we are not allowed to do at this time. That is something that would promote true and fair competition, unlike attempting to compete with the government who does not have to turn a profit inorder to survive and who has unlimited funds (our tax money) with which to fund the endevor. If we are not careful, there will come a time in the not too distant future when the Government Option will be the only option.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360923109310680.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/medicarehealthinsurance/a/healthchioce.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba642

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10363

 

[houndit]

Here are some articles regarding allowing the purchase of Health Insurance across state lines, which we are not allowed to do at this time. That is something that would promote true and fair competition, unlike attempting to compete with the government who does not have to turn a profit inorder to survive and who has unlimited funds (our tax money) with which to fund the endevor. If we are not careful, there will come a time in the not too distant future when the Government Option will be the only option.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360923109310680.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/medicarehealthinsurance/a/healthchioce.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba642

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10363

HERE HERE!!!!!!!!

 

[me&thegals]

Here are some articles regarding allowing the purchase of Health Insurance across state lines, which we are not allowed to do at this time. That is something that would promote true and fair competition, unlike attempting to compete with the government who does not have to turn a profit inorder to survive and who has unlimited funds (our tax money) with which to fund the endevor. If we are not careful, there will come a time in the not too distant future when the Government Option will be the only option.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360923109310680.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/medicarehealthinsurance/a/healthchioce.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba642

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10363

I only read the first article. I thought he addressed this directly in his speech, but I could be remembering wrong. Maybe I'm thinking of a debate with my spouse. This seems like a good idea. I would be interested in why it is not currently allowed, as I'm sure I could be missing something from the other side.

I think gov't is stepping in because the private sector has not effectively addressed the issues in healthcare on its own. This has been seen to be a problem for a very long time. We all know companies who have gone overseas to avoid the burden of healthcare costs, among other reasons. I wish health insurers and the whole system would have found a way to work it out before it became such a huge issue that gov't decided to step in.

 

[FarmerChick]

you said it me&thegals

NO ONE and no one has addressed healthcare or made any difference.

It is time for the govt. to walk in and make changes. It will not be govt. controlled like so many believe at all.

WE---meaning the people, the ins. companies, the elected officials, and every single other person involved, has made no effort to change.

All the small changes like allowing ins. to compete over state lines, etc. has been known...nothing has ever been acted upon!!! ever!!!

Uninsureds are killing our healthcare system...resulting in uncontrolled costs, others losing what little they DID have and try to hold on to.....

it is time for some change...and real stinking change....and see where it takes us.

we need change. we are stagnant and it shows!

 

[reinbeau]

Actually what's killing our health care system is medical malpractice insurance and suits. That needs to be fixed first - I think the cost savings there will be amazing, as well as the number of primary care physicians will increase. There are savings there, too. There are a number of things that can be fixed before we go to a one-player government run system.

 

[FarmerChick]

It would not be a one player govt. run system at all.

And yes, I agree that medical malpractice must be contained.

That is a small piece of the puzzle...not the solution.

 

[reinbeau]

But it is, Karen, it's what he wants. He's said so repeatedly, just not in his recent speech - because he knows how opposed that is by most. Really and truly. I've posted the link to just one of the places where he said it. Government run health care is the goal here.

 

[FarmerChick]

Honestly Ann I never heard him say govt. controlled and run healthcare.

I heard a few govt. options...and other issues to be attacked.

It is to insure every single person under "some" situation that will suit them and if govt. options are needed then I have to say I agree.

Uninsureds MUST have an option.

I don't want to be ONE who never has that option. Too many had that situation and have lost everything because of it and I don't want to be one. And I truly believe all SHOULD have some type of option to rely on...to be insured and not uninsured.

Like Canada, there are options other than their plan. Yes, you pay the cost regardless, cause the country wants to insure you.....but you can opt out and do whatever to find coverage.

At least it ensures EVERY person has some basic coverages.

We need that. Our country while wealthy and decadent and free and greedy and more, like many other countries, still can not provide IN ANY MEANS healthcare for all. We need options and I have to say move forward. We are going down the toilet without moving forward.

All the "lesser" know evils about fixing the plan were discussed and not one person moved on it....not one "group" or whoever even cared to make anything come to light-----for me personally, I say move forward and do what must be done to handle this! (Again this is me of course)

I do not see the govt taking control and warping the health system to kill people, to limit our tests to the extreme of death, to make us die earlier or any of the other crazy notions out there.

I just say we must act. I am willing to act forward with what is on the table and what will be hashed out behind closed doors.

Time is over. Time has run out. Time for all the small fixes that COULD have and SHOULD have been done never materialized. I am now for GO FOR IT!

I don't want a govt. controlled life just like many, and I don't think this will become a govt. controlled life at all.

I am still for change. Big change. Small change was on the table for many many many elections, nothing!


I am in it for humanitarian reasons and for selfish reasons. I only see health costs going thru the roof, taking my good from my life---and then I see the further issue of the uninsured. What if you can't receive help?

No, for me now, move forward. Change must happen and I want change and if this is the way, then I say go forward with modified issues and do the best we can...with govt. help.