Obama finally called them out

[VT-Chicklit]

BigDaddy wrote: Just another good reason for single payer. If the docs are on the govt payroll you can bet the damages would be controlled. No multi million dollar pain and suffering settlements.

Wrong! The current bills that are running around on Capital Hill do not exclude malpractice suits against the doctors that are providing medical care under the "Government Plan". This is just one of the reasons why so many doctors are against much of what is being proposed! You will have a government desk jockey aproving or denying care that has been recomentded by a doctor. If there is a bad result because of it, the doctor is still responsible, and can be sued. The government can not be sued. You currently can sue your insurance company! Additionally, if you are denied doctor recomended care by your insurance company, you currently can take your case to the Insurance Commisioner in your state and in most cases, unless there are specific exclusions in your insurance contract, you will get the care your doctor recomends. If the government takes over health care,who will you plead your case to then?

For everyone who thinks health care is expensive now, wait until it is free! Government health care will cost you more than "just money", it can cost you your health or even your life. You currently can get care now, even if you are broke and living under a bridge. Yes, you might not be able to go to just any physician because you have a cold or even the flu, if you cant pay. You can, however go to the emergency room, even get a ride there in an ambulance, without the ability to pay dime one! It is an expensive proposition for the rest of us who have that ability to pay our bills, but it is a cheaper proposition than government health care.

We do not have enough doctors to be able to do what is being proposed. Additionally, polls have been taken that show up to 40% of doctors will close their practices and retire if reduced rates, more patients and more government red tape come to pass. Specialists have not spent 20 or more years being trained inorder to have the government drastically reduce their rates and make practicing medicine more difficult. Many specialists are humanitarians, providing free surgeries in third world countries, where the citizens cant just show up to an ER and get the care they need. We at least have access to some of the best care in the world. We just have to pay for it. If, the Lord forbid, I or my husband were to get some terrible disease that costs huge amounts of money for treatments and medicines, I would gladly go bankrupt and loose my house, cars, boat, and live in a shack, if it meant that we had gotten the care that was needed to save our life! Things mean nothing if you are an invalid or dead.

The currently proposed plans are OK if you are well, but if you are REALY SICK with a disease that will cost alot of money to cure or require cutting edge medicine, you may be out of luck! People will die waiting on a list for care or be denied life saving treatments because they are cutting edge or the results are not guarenteed. I realise that there are people who die now because of issues receiving the care they need. I think the last estimate I saw was around 14,000 each year. I believe this number would be much higher under a single payer system. My reason is that the large increase in people accessing the system and the inadequate numbers of doctors will automatically mean long waits to be seen by a primary care doctor. Primary care doctors will be gate keepers for specialists and testing, *who will also have long waits. Pray you dont get something that requires care quickly because there will be waiting lists to wait on all along the way, before you eventually get your care. This is not always condusive to good out comes!

*Note: When I say long waits, I do not mean 3 or 4 months it could be 6 to 8 months or longer, depending where you live and how many specialists are in your area! I currently have been on a waiting list inorder to get a primary care doctor since June. I will not be able to get my first apointment with this doctor until January 7 (7 months). The doctor is new to my rural area and I havent been able to find one who will take on new patients locally. I have been using a local clinic, which is inadequate for things other routine care. This is before "government care". It will only get worse if they pass it!

 

[VT-Chicklit]

This is something that has been circulating through my TEA Party group. This gentleman is more eloquent and smarter than I:

From a Constitutional Lawyer

Thought everybody might like to read this prior to tonight's address to the nation.

The following comment is from Michael Connelly of Carrollton, Texas , a retired attorney and constitutional law instructor
who states he has read the entire health care bill and has some comments, not about the bill, but about the impact upon
our Constitution. It's a broader picture than just health care reform.

Looks like something to sit up and pay attention to; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible.


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS


Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to
control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript...html

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript...html

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly

Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor

Carrollton , Texas


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Michael Connelly
Michael Connelly is a retired attorney who is now a teacher, published author, and freelance writer. As a former Military Intelligence officer in the U.S. Army he is an avid student of American history including all aspects of military history. His father 1LT Roy E. Connelly was an officer in B Co. of the 87th CMB. He and his wife Kay reside in Dallas, Texas. They have six children including four sons who have all served or are currently serving in the military.
As a young man he became an Eagle Scout and as an adult was a scoutmaster for many years. All four of his sons are Eagle Scouts. Mr. Connelly is also an officer in American Legion Post 597 in Carrollton, Texas.
Michael Connelly also teaches Evidence Law, Constitutional Law, and Winning Strategy for the Courtroom via the Internet through colleges and universities worldwide.

 

[houndit]

This is something that has been circulating through my TEA Party group. This gentleman is more eloquent and smarter than I:

From a Constitutional Lawyer

Thought everybody might like to read this prior to tonight's address to the nation.

The following comment is from Michael Connelly of Carrollton, Texas , a retired attorney and constitutional law instructor
who states he has read the entire health care bill and has some comments, not about the bill, but about the impact upon
our Constitution. It's a broader picture than just health care reform.

Looks like something to sit up and pay attention to; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible.


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS
Thank you so much for posting this. I would disagree with you on your statement that you are not as elloquent as this gentlemen.

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to
control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript...html

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript...html

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly

Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor

Carrollton , Texas


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Michael Connelly
Michael Connelly is a retired attorney who is now a teacher, published author, and freelance writer. As a former Military Intelligence officer in the U.S. Army he is an avid student of American history including all aspects of military history. His father 1LT Roy E. Connelly was an officer in B Co. of the 87th CMB. He and his wife Kay reside in Dallas, Texas. They have six children including four sons who have all served or are currently serving in the military.
As a young man he became an Eagle Scout and as an adult was a scoutmaster for many years. All four of his sons are Eagle Scouts. Mr. Connelly is also an officer in American Legion Post 597 in Carrollton, Texas.
Michael Connelly also teaches Evidence Law, Constitutional Law, and Winning Strategy for the Courtroom via the Internet through colleges and universities worldwide.

Thank you so much for posting this!!!! I would disagree with you on your statement that you are not as eloquent as this gentlemen. I would argue that you are just as eloquent!!! I love reading your posts. Thank you for taking this stand for our freedom!

 

[patandchickens]

The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.<snip> The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own.

See, that is the sort of thing that makes it hard for me to take seriously the *rest* of what the guy says. (As with anyone who goes on like this).

The first bit is nothing but fearmongering, the second bit is clearly An Axe To Grind (nothing will be transferred to "the Obama administration" specifically -- the transfer being discussed would be to ANY administration, whoever happens to be running the country at the time... there is zero reason for the word Obama to appear in that phrase except to trade on some peoples' loathing)

Unfortunately I have a hard time trusting things when the come from a source that is so obviously slanted and with reduced interest in looking at things in an unbiased levelheaded fashion...

Pat

 

[Wifezilla]

For everyone who thinks health care is expensive now, wait until it is free!

LOL...no kidding!

 

[Big Daddy]

I wouldn't believe a single word Connely says. He Lies. You notice he doesn't sight any wording in the actual bill. Just tells you what it says. He knows that tea bagger types will just believe it though so he doesn't have to sight any proof. Sorry but I put more belief in what the President says. Too bad the bills are so difficult to read and are full of legalese. Then a simpleton like myself could read it and fully understand it.

 

[Wifezilla]

'The survey of 443 HR and benefit executives found that 87% of those surveyed would reduce benefits, 38% were likely to pass the increase off to consumers, 30% would absorb the costs by cutting staff and 27% would reduce salaries and compensation as a counter measure. Somehow we are supposed to believe the 11% of executives that claim their companies will absorb the loss.

What about the possibility of accepting the proposed penalty for eliminating health care coverage altogether and forcing employees onto the government plan?

Among the full survey group, employers expect they would respond to a pay-or-play mandate in the following ways:

* 37% of employers would provide company-sponsored health coverage that substantially exceeds the standard.
* 29% of employers would discontinue company-sponsored health coverage and pay the assessment if the per-employee costs of payments to the federal government were substantially lower than their current costs.
* 26% of employers would provide company-sponsored health coverage at the level of the minimum standard required."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-...enefits-if-health-care-reform-increases-costs

 

[Big Daddy]

I like the forced abortions part too. I'm surprised he didn't throw in euthanasia for granny. This health bill is really showing how dishonest some of our leaders truly are. All the fact checking organizations have already stated that Obama was stating facts not lies or distortions.

 

[FarmerChick]

I couldn't pull up either link. BUT fearmongering it is to me.

I can pull any junk off the net to prove points. These types of info do not mean much to me actually.




Thing is overall---change is coming. Big change. It must. And everyone knows it.....so get ready for those changes. I hope they are big ones and truly help.

Even if this admin. was talking single payer vs. options it isn't what is on the table. Single payer will not be happening in this country any time soon.

But gee, the Canadian govt. isn't killing people by the buckets cause of this waiting period.

You don't see Canada going into major debt because of their healthcare.

Only problem with single payer here in this country would be the changeover. It would be horrible I know....but again, we are not talking single payer here in the US under these bills at this point.

And remember, earlier healthcare means things are caught faster. So if it is affordable to go, then things are caught earlier, those that waiting time (which is not 6-7 mos. in every case at all) will not be as dramatic as someone waiting for healthcare, goes in last minute with diseases that kill fast cause they are not caught early.



We got a few things mixed up in the threads.
talking single payer vs. what options are on the true table.



What gets me is that everyone has limited medical care to some point even under their current private insurance. What the govt. would do would be no different than what is currently happening. (I am talking about their low cost option in the Ins. Exchange)


Everyone who is so worried about cost. Well the cost know is killing this country and its citizens. Change is needed and is coming and I embrace those changes. Time for a shakeup!!!

 

[sylvie]

This is something that has been circulating through my TEA Party group. This gentleman is more eloquent and smarter than I:

From a Constitutional Lawyer

Thought everybody might like to read this prior to tonight's address to the nation.

The following comment is from Michael Connelly of Carrollton, Texas , a retired attorney and constitutional law instructor
who states he has read the entire health care bill and has some comments, not about the bill, but about the impact upon
our Constitution. It's a broader picture than just health care reform.

Looks like something to sit up and pay attention to; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible.


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS


Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to
control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript...html

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript...html

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly

Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor

Carrollton , Texas


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Michael Connelly
Michael Connelly is a retired attorney who is now a teacher, published author, and freelance writer. As a former Military Intelligence officer in the U.S. Army he is an avid student of American history including all aspects of military history. His father 1LT Roy E. Connelly was an officer in B Co. of the 87th CMB. He and his wife Kay reside in Dallas, Texas. They have six children including four sons who have all served or are currently serving in the military.
As a young man he became an Eagle Scout and as an adult was a scoutmaster for many years. All four of his sons are Eagle Scouts. Mr. Connelly is also an officer in American Legion Post 597 in Carrollton, Texas.
Michael Connelly also teaches Evidence Law, Constitutional Law, and Winning Strategy for the Courtroom via the Internet through colleges and universities worldwide.

Retired real estate lawyer-work history.
Thanks, but I'll read it for myself to make my own analysis.