Obama finally called them out

[FarmerChick]

Don't worry --we will all live thru the changes and be the better for it I believe.

 

[Big Daddy]

BigDaddy said I like the forced abortions part too.

Michael Connelly does not claim that we will be forced to get abortions, he is talking about the bill forcing Doctors and Hospitals who do not perform abortion for consiencious reasons to have to perform them. This has been discussed with some doctors and hospitals that have these issues and many have said that if this is the case, they will no longer practice medicine and close, rather that compromise their principle on this issue! There are many hospitals that were started by religious orginazitions and still hold their philosophies today. They will stand by their principles.

The government will certainly not try to mandate that hospitals perform abortions on demand. People in the medical profession are certainly entitled to obey their conscience on issues like that, Abortion is a very personal issue for everyone involved. Now I o agree with mandating that any institution perform at least emergency care on homosexuals. I believe that the former lawyer is wrong on the abortion item as he is on most everything in that article.

 

[Big Daddy]

The fact is our life boat is sinking right now. Those of us that have good health coverage will see it disappear over the next 10 years or so if nothing is done. Health care is going up at about 12% per year. Eventually employers will not be able to offer it anymore. So then all you people that are worried about sharing will be in the same boat as those less fortunate. Obama is not Bush. He's not into fear mongering like George was. He was talking facts last week. These ludicrous ideas about collecting delinquent doctor bills or setting up payment plans for your 150k hospital stay are ridiculous.

Keep up the good work Pat and Farmer Chick, lots of good info from you.

 

[enjoy the ride]

!966 was the first national Canadian limited plan I believe (around the same time as Medicare here) and 1984 was a major expansion.
I do consider that to be a honeymoon period - like Medicare, the baby boomers and a recession will test the durability as Medicare here will be tested. Things have been economically pretty rosey til the last couple of years. I think maybe there was another expansion in the early 2000s?
Also, frankly, Canada does send a number of people to the US for treatment that is not available there. I just spoke to one yesterday. Her Canadian insurance is paying for her trip to be evaluated (mind you not treated) here for a condition that is not common but not rare either. No available specialists in her province (and I guess Nationally ?? too.)

And that really is the question- who will survive this change and who won't.



Goats yelling- got to go...................

 

[enjoy the ride]

Sorry- short lived goat objection to my having left them out after DARK!!!!!!!!!

Anyway- if I felt that Congress wouldn't play silly tit-for-tat, short sighted games with this, I wouldn't be so worried. But they have repeatedly demostrated that they rather follow party line and give pork to fellow members than honestly address the same issues in this pending legislation that they haven't addressed in years of medicare problems.
Right now our area can't get doctors to come here, and those that do do not stay because it is an area heavily weighted with Medicare and Medicaide people and the government has reduced the payments under both those plans for years. Doctors can do better elsewhere and go.
I have yet to hear any politician answer this issue. They refuse to mandate universal doctor participation as Canada does, yet they will not fund the public plans to compete with the private plans. Too expensive they say. How can it possibly work? The do not mandate everyone pay into the plan, so how can they spread the cost through the population?

 

[me&thegals]

Anyway- if I felt that Congress wouldn't play silly tit-for-tat, short sighted games with this, I wouldn't be so worried. But they have repeatedly demostrated that they rather follow party line and give pork to fellow members than honestly address the same issues in this pending legislation that they haven't addressed in years of medicare problems.

Yes, that is worrisome. It's frustrating that there is always another election cycle right around the corner. I wonder what would happen if terms were extended to twice as long?

I would like to think that the crisis is so large and obvious that they simply will not dink around with it.

 

[FarmerChick]

Problem with change is it is natural to be worried. Who doesn't get weary of change. I have great health ins. thru hubby's work. I am worried that change in the system, might, disrupt it. I hope not, I think not, but I am willing to take that chance for others to have what I have when it comes to basic healthcare.

Natural change will help some species and not others.

BUT controlled change with healthcare etc. should help everyone. It should give basic healthcare to all.

People are not perfect, never will be...nor will a healthcare system be perfect. Bodies are not perfect, every might react different to the same treatments etc.

BUT everyone should have a basic right to those treatments.



And I say RIGHT. In this day and age, to say basic healthcare that is in your face technology and on most people's doorstep, can not be had! That is criminal to me seriously.




Yea me&thegals
seems like 4 years is not enough time to get anything done. they are probably worrying more about the "next election" than what needs to be done and action taken. BUT--wow, what if we couldn't get rid of them in 4 years..LOL---catch 22 on that one big time.

at least at the end of 4 if the person is good and things are changed for the better, re-elect right? At the end of 4, and the admin. was horrible, at least we can get rid of them.

 

[Big Daddy]

Problem with change is it is natural to be worried. Who doesn't get weary of change. I have great health ins. thru hubby's work. I am worried that change in the system, might, disrupt it. I hope not, I think not, but I am willing to take that chance for others to have what I have when it comes to basic healthcare.

I think that is the biggest problem for most people. They have a decent plan through work or they are on Medicare and they are afraid this will affect their plans. All the fear mongering from the right is just fuel on the fire. I don't think it will affect existing plans because they have a mandate that everyone must get coverage. That's an extra 45 million people giving their business to the health insurance industry. That extra money will more than offset any losses they incur from having to cover people with pre existing conditions. So I don't see existing plans changing significantly. All these polls showing that businesses will do this or that are all a bunch of BS. Stats are pretty much a joke when it comes to political issues. Politicians pull most of them out their rear ends. I'm sure that the Baucus plan will probably be the one that ends up on Obamas desk. No public option with tax subsidies to help people that can't afford it. Pre existing conditions will be a thing of the past. From what I hear it will be 4 years before it takes effect. Plenty of time to move to a different country if need be.

 

[reinbeau]

Statistics can be pulled out of many places and used anywhere, even on internet forums.

 

[sylvie]

I'm sure that the Baucus plan will probably be the one that ends up on Obamas desk. No public option with tax subsidies to help people that can't afford it. Pre existing conditions will be a thing of the past. From what I hear it will be 4 years before it takes effect. Plenty of time to move to a different country if need be.

I watched Washington Week last night and they gave the Baucus plan a good review. Because we aren't copying Canada or the UK, we have to negotiate with all parties at the table which includes doctors and insurance companies. The fact that they have said virtually nothing negative about Baucus's plan indicates that he was successful giving everyone something. I think this is the most we can hope for. I would have liked single payer first and foremost but they are attempting inclusion this time around which would make single payer impossible.