Organic food is no healthier, study finds

[Big Daddy]

Aren't organic farmers capable of depleting nutrients in the soil? I'm just asking.

 

[modern_pioneer]

Aren't organic farmers capable of depleting nutrients in the soil?

Yup....

Defs of organic for the record.

1. noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.
2. characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms: organic remains found in rocks.
3. of or pertaining to an organ or the organs of an animal, plant, or fungus.
4. of, pertaining to, or affecting living tissue: organic pathology.
5. Psychology. caused by neurochemical, neuroendocrinologic, structural, or other physical impairment or change: organic disorder. Compare functional (def. 5).
6. Philosophy. having an organization similar in its complexity to that of living things.
7. characterized by the systematic arrangement of parts; organized; systematic: elements fitting together into a unified, organic whole.
8. of or pertaining to the basic constitution or structure of a thing; constitutional; structural: The flaws in your writing are too organic to be easily remedied.
9. developing in a manner analogous to the natural growth and evolution characteristic of living organisms; arising as a natural outgrowth.
10. viewing or explaining something as having a growth and development analogous to that of living organisms: an organic theory of history.
11. pertaining to, involving, or grown with fertilizers or pesticides of animal or vegetable origin, as distinguished from manufactured chemicals: organic farming; organic fruits.
12. Law. of or pertaining to the constitutional or essential law or laws of organizing the government of a state.
13. Architecture. noting or pertaining to any work of architecture regarded as analogous to plant or animal forms in having a structure and a plan that fulfill perfectly the functional requirements for the building and that form in themselves an intellectually lucid, integrated whole.
14. Fine Arts. of or pertaining to the shapes or forms in a work of art that are of irregular contour and seem to resemble or suggest forms found in nature.

I am a organic farmer because I don't use chemicals to assist the plants, or treat pest. I work my soil as a base and I am pretty happy I have taken the harder route. I have worms everywhere, LOL, their kinda like weeds but below ground.

To me organic means from the mother, made from the mother, with love of the mother in mind.

Also I dont have corn seed that hasn't been GM, just some maters seeds and hot peppers.

I will put up one of my maters against a hydro mater any day of the week, vine whatever is sold in your neck of the woods.

My maters generally are fine, a few are funky, but they taste good.

Chem class taught me that there will always be hybrids, that's simple.

GM is not so simple; genetically modified

Definition: pertaining to a living organism whose genetic material has been altered, changing one or more of its characteristics; bioengineered

Again, I will ask about cloned meat verses blood line breeding?

 

[me&thegals]

Aren't organic farmers capable of depleting nutrients in the soil? I'm just asking.

Absolutely! Organic farmers are also just as capable of food "insafety." Is that a word? Or cheap labor. Or overpackaging. Or using too much biofuel.

As I mentioned earlier, though, the original "organics" were all about the whole system, the food, the soil, the community, the people working it. New organic can be nearly as bad, just without the chemicals. One requirement in organic that really helps (regarding depleting the soil) is that organic inputs to build the soil back up cannot be petroleum based whereas conventional farming using almost exclusively petroleum-based fertilizers.

 

[Big Daddy]

Well that makes good sense. But is there anything that conventional mass production farming does that would rob the fruit or the vegetable of the nutrients. This study was strictly to determine nutrient level. They weren't looking for toxins. Obviously sponsored by a company that provides fertilizers and herbicides.

 

[me&thegals]

My guess would be the micronutrients. Conventional farmers add NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium) but I would have to wonder where all the other nutrients would come from after a while.

I had also read in the past that organic veggies have to fight disease and pest attacks, in the process beefing up their immune system, enhancing their antioxidant levels.

Then, I would also question how most modern farming using hybrids bred for storage, beauty and uniformity would not have bred out some of the nutrient content.

 

[Henrietta23]

I got this in an info. email that I receive if anyone is intersted.


http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/642/letter/?letter_KEY=1181

 

[FarmerChick]

Organic home grown is not the same as organic big farm. This I know for a fact and won't buy organic from commercial sources. won't say more unless you want to know more.

yes I would like to know the info you have about big organic farms and why you won't buy their produce?

just interested and would like to know what you mean..LOL

 

[FarmerChick]

Well that makes good sense. But is there anything that conventional mass production farming does that would rob the fruit or the vegetable of the nutrients. This study was strictly to determine nutrient level. They weren't looking for toxins. Obviously sponsored by a company that provides fertilizers and herbicides.

that is it. it discussed nutrient levels in the foods. they wouldn't be that much diff. between the 2

take 2 seeds the same. grow 1 organic, another in agri. conventional way and there won't be much nutrition level diff. in the food. that was the basis.

 

[lorihadams]

What about milk? What about meat products? I find it hard to believe that with all the chemicals, hormones, and gm foods around now that there isn't something wrong with our current food supply. Look at girls nowadays....they look like they are 18 when they are 9. I didn't get breasts until I was 16. There are kids now with breasts at age 7, starting their periods earlier and earlier. It's just not normal.

I wonder too, if you had the option.....buy local or buy organic which would you do?

 

[me&thegals]

lorihadams--My daughter was born with breast buds. My doctor didn't know what to say except to get her off soy and chicken (hormone-laced).

I wonder about breast development being related to fat storage, as fat and female hormones are related to each other.

I have read studies in MEN and elsewhere that organics ARE more nutritious. One possible reason given was that organic plants fight off disease, thereby increasing their immune responses, which we call antioxidants.