Overdosing our babies

[DrakeMaiden]

The decision whether or not to immunize does not only affect the child in question, it also affects others in the community.

Only if your child is in contact in such a way as to transmit the disease.

So I skip Hep B vaccination . . . my child cannot transmit the disease unless 1) he picks it up and 2) he interacts with others in such a way as to transmit it. But until he is old enough to have sex or do intravenous drugs he cannot transmit Hep B. We have a few years before that happens. Why do I need to vaccinate him at birth? That decision can be made when it is appropriate for the context. By then he will have a mature immune system.

That is just one example.

Right now he is a stay-at-home baby. He is more vulnerable to the side effects of too many vaccinations. I am not going to just give him everything for the good of society.

There is always time to vaccinate later, as is appropriate for the context.

 

[FarmerChick]

I have to go along with Pat.

I am bowing out also because most of what is 'thrown out as fact' can be contradicted by other 'facts' anyone can find on the net....and I am not taking the time to bother LOL

in the end like everyone has said, do your own thing!

 

[abifae]

*quietly follows Pat and FC*

Any further comments I have will just start becoming rude or acerbic so I'll wander to a thread I can keep my pretty manners intact LOL.

*hunts around for a pretty manner to show off*

 

[Wildsky]

So here's my autistic question of the day:

Don't you live in a society to help care for one another?

Vaccines decrease everyone's risk for infectious disease, not just the person getting immunized. If I understand right, people who live in communities feel a responsibility to one another to help keep one another safe. If that's true, wouldn't people vaccinate to save the lives of children not their own?

At the risk of my child dying, becoming diabetic or any number of other things...

Seriously? Do you have children? TTo be brutally honest I would kill another human being if that human was threatening to harm my children, my children mean a heck of a lot more to me than the kids down the road, no matter how cute or sweet they are - they're not my responsibility!

A few months or so after my son was born, kids were dying from the rotovirus vaccine, it was recalled after a bit - but can you IMAGINE being one of those parents?

 

[DrakeMaiden]

Vaccines decrease everyone's risk for infectious disease, not just the person getting immunized. If I understand right, people who live in communities feel a responsibility to one another to help keep one another safe. If that's true, wouldn't people vaccinate to save the lives of children not their own?

Well, because my child was vulnerable to pertussis before he was vaccinated I kept him at home. I don't expect that a vaccinated population is going to protect him, because I know that the vaccine wears off and adults run around sneezing and coughing without covering their mouths or washing their hands. That is just how our society is. There is nothing I can do about that. The vaccinated population does not keep pertussis from spreading, because the vaccine wears off.

If you want to protect society stay at home when you are sick!

 

[Wifezilla]

We all make choices and all choices have consequences. That includes vaccinating.

Take your chances and your kid gets mumps? Most likely it isn't going to kill it. It could be sterile though.

What about polio? Not looking forward to seeing iron lungs as common place.

Do we need to vaccinate as the health departments tell us at the times they tell us? No.

Not vaccinate at all?

It is a risk and you are gambling with lives.

 

[Our7Wonders]

Just pointing out again, that risk runs both ways. Yes, there are risks of contracting diseases. And, yes, with those diseases you risk serious symptoms.

But it cannot be denied that there are not very real risks that are associated with the vaccines themselves. Children do die from vaccines. So you are risking your child's life by getting them vaccinated.

Each family has to decide which riskes they're willing to take with their children's lives.

 

[Wildsky]

Take your chances and your kid gets mumps? Most likely it isn't going to kill it. It could be sterile though.
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Just to clear up the "sterile" part. (heresay repeated by many in order to instill fear in people)

20% of post pubescent males will experience inflammation of the testes, however, orchitis usually effects one testicle, sterility from Mumps is extreamly rare.

(This is from the CDC Fact sheet - april 2000) http://www.nfid.org/_old/factsheets/mumpsadult.html

Also see McKinley health center, "mumps vaccine" University of Illinois (october 1998) www.mckinley.uiuc.eduhealth-info/dis-cond/vacimmun/mumpsvac.html

The drug companies list the following as side effects of the MMR vaccine: (straight from the horses mouth)
Aseptic Meningitis
Encephalitis
Orchitis (yes from the shot itself)
Diabetes mellitus
Parotitis (which is Mumps)
Anaphylaxis
Death

In 1994 the US institute of medicine acknowledged being able to isolate and identify the mumps vaccine virus strain from neurologically impaird patients following vaccination. Aseptic meningitis was officially recognized as resulting from the mumps vaccine.

 

[Neko-chan]

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[Wildsky]

because we're all foaming at the mouth.

Foaming at the mouth is clearly listed as a side effect of this forum in the rules....

Vaccines are not "required" - every state in the USA has exemptions, some are tougher to negotiate than others, but they're there.