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Gosh, I have pictures of Fat Liver already, but I don't have room left on here. He isn't really so fat but the breed is supposed to look hungry, which they usually are. I'm still waiting on getting him. I'm glad the shelter in Utah is understanding and working with us. I'm shocked no one in their system hasn't adopted him. He is probably in the "available" group at the Salt Lake City humane society if anyone is looking for a ridgeback. He is actually named Henry. Maybe he isn't passing their tempermant test but they don't want to euth him. I think we will end up getting him the same day that Ellie and Hanna leave, which would be EXCELLENT. I know Hubby thinks we are crazy to let Ellie go. The other day when Bindi was proving so dismal at herding goats, I told him I need a herding dog and he says to me, "Ellie can herd." Ellie chases the goats so that was a silly lame comment and he knew it but had to slip it out there, hoping I'd suggest we keep her. A guardian dog would also be a good idea, but not an Ellie. Her new nickname is "her Elliness" since he treats her like royalty.

Regarding the too many bitches, yes, I certainly do have too many bitches, owning four, fostering two (and I had three last month). Girl dogs get along worse in my opinion than boy dogs in most cases. They fight more regarding who is the top dog or NOT the bottom dog and care more about status, although of course not all females, but more than males. We are bitch-heavy here and especially right now with two female fosters. This is not a good balance that I would recommend to anyone. We do understand how to introduce dogs a little better than most people (ha ha) having done it over and over and over and over, and there are certain dogs that we would never TRY because by reputation we know better. And once dogs have a "grudge".....forget it. One needs to be rehomed. If we were told that a female dog was aggressive with other females we would have to decline to have it come here. In every dog group there is a female dog leader and the pack health depends in part on how well that dog meets and greets new dogs. My dog Deirdre the ridgeback is the top dog here and was raised while we were fostering so she really enjoys new dogs and is extremely, extremely well socialized. I'm not bragging, but it is just a fact.

If anyone has questions about dogs getting along or getting girls to get along I'd be happy to help them. But the situation is individual. Usually one of the important aspects people don't notice is that they have to respect and understand the current dog pack order, even while they remain the ultimate leader. As soon as you leave the room, they make up their own order. Cesar Milan has been very helpful in teaching this concept to people. I love how he relates how we are full of wrong thinking about dogs and often use the analogy he used when we heard him speak. He said that to most Americans, the dog is first Charlie, then a cocker spaniel, then a dog, then an animal. When we need to remember that he is first an animal, then a dog, then a cocker spaniel, and then Charlie. I expect Deirdre to act like pack head wolf even though she is also my "Dee Dee" who is trained as foster dog friend extraordinairre. But the way your alpha bitch is makes a big difference and I have to give her the credit, not me. She took over the mantle when another dog we had died.

And the main thing I do that enables me to keep several dogs like this is that we don't put all the females in a room loose with only one person there. Outside is okay, but not inside a room where there is one person. And I would never do something like divide a piece of steak up amongst so many girl dogs in a room unless I had worked on training them for awhile. I've been doing this a long time so I can "get away" with doing things that might be hard for dog novices because I am trained with long practice not to do things that cause fights, even among dogs that 'don't fight".....in my experience most dogs will fight about something, it is just a matter of prevention. If you divide resources carefully (usually out of sight and smell) and use restraints such as crates, you can manage a much larger group of dogs fairly easily. It might sound hard to take care of so many but if you saw my routine, you'd see it really isn't very hard. The dogs train the other dogs and keep the new ones in line. I just adhere to a routine and they all fall in line, dogs love routine especially when they get treats and rewards and not hurt or hit or whatever.
 

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I was very naive when I had the problem with my 2 girls - we had always just had a single dog, always a female, so I didn't expect any problems with adding another female. Hoo boy! Still, looking back, I don't know what I could have done to alter the situation. The younger dog (a lab) went to live on a horse farm, is their only dog, and is living the good life as queen of the farm.

Having a male and a female together has been an eye opener also. Buster absolutely refuses to take a treat first or eat his meal first - ladies first! :lol: They get along great though, and I enjoy watching them interact.

Buster is also my first male dog - another eye opener compared to owning bitches.
 

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What I tell people about selecting a second dog, is that generally the opposite sex works best as a doggie friend. And you need to have a ying and a yang. If you have an outgoing assertive alpha dog, you need the second dog to be more submissive, a follower, or at least not a super-alpha.

Some females will NEVER be a good mesh. Two boy dogs will work better more often than two females. Four females like I have is really not usually a good idea.

Ellie and Hanna are two females I am placing together because they ARE a ying and a yang. Ellie is very alpha and Hanna is very submissive. Ellie has a strong prey drive, Hanna has none. Ellie is slow and lazy, Hanna is hyper. They are a perfect pair that just happen to be the same sex.
 

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Hi!!

Glad to hear you're taking on another foster! We all know you'll do great things for that doggie!

Ellie and Hanna sound like my girls, Aspen and Morgan. They're 6 mos apart and we got them at 4 mos and 10 mos old (now they're 7 and 6 1/2)...they're not the best of friends but still do everything together and rarely fight each other. It's nice to see them play rough and tough every once and a while but that's usually as far as it goes.
 

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Those are nice names, Aspen and Morgan. I have to file away good dog names in my memory because we like to name them something different and we have run out of names. Lately I've preferred it when they come with a good name.

It was worse when we were fostering litters of puppies. We could never think of enough good names! My favorite dog names are "Anika", "Moxie" and "Hemi", so of course I've already used those names.

When you are picking a new dog. some breeds are harder to throw together than others, for instance, pit bulls. But two girl ridgebacks can be ugly and some of the worst fights I've seen have been between two boy dogs (one very evil and the other very good), two different times. It sounds like I've been around a lot of dog fights but I've introduced so many dogs to one another, I used to do introductions for other people when I was dog foster coordinator and also when you are placing a dog in a home, so I've had practice with doing this at least 400-500 times. I hope you guys don't think I'm exaggerating when I talk about this foster stuff. We are working on our 13th year in rescue so a lot has happened.
 

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I love hearing your dog stories. :thumbsup

ETA: I would love a whole pack of Jacks, but my two get along so well, no fighting ever, and I have no dominance issues with my female... I'd feel like I was messin' with a good thing.
 

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savingdogs said:
Gosh, I have pictures of Fat Liver already, but I don't have room left on here.
;) Did you know that we can upload pictures on the sister sites?

Just log onto Backyard Herds or one of the other ones and upload like normal. :)
 

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I am glad I read your post about dogs getting. We have a female and have been wanting another female dog. Male dogs pee on the vegetables :sick
It makes it clear to me, that we absolutely have to let Spike and the "new" dog pick each other. We have fostered puppies and she was good with them. She loves all babies. So maybe that is the way we'll get our second dog. We are not in a rush. When he right dog comes along, we'll know it. ;)
Hopefully I will have time to foster again this winter. We'll see.
 

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Denise, not too many families are "chronic" fosterers like we are, we feel naked without a foster. :hide

Farmfresh I've seen you all talking about posting pictures at BYH and BYC (where I do have room) but I'm a little computer-slow....HOW would I do that? Upload it over there and then when I'm over here how do I find it? Do I have to post the picture there? I've always just "uploaded" while posting a picture, do I just upload and go back to "my uploads"?
 

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LOL! The reason Amira is so well socialized is because I fostered while she was growing up :) So she is used to cats coming in and out. She is a cat, so she hides and pouts at first, and then she comes out and plays. lol.
 
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