Sufficient Self's Bible Study Group

[Beekissed]

Perhaps I'm missing some type of reference, but what do you mean you have been washed by lamb's blood?

Yes...that reference book would be the Bible. It would really help clear up your confusion and your desire to learn about Christianity if you would get yourself a Bible and study/read it. Then you could reference it when you have questions about the different topics in it.

This is the Bible study thread...but we can't do all the referencing and study for you. We can, however, study it with you...we are all constantly learning about it ourselves. As there are so many books in the Bible, it would be impossible for us to go over it with you piece-meal in the time we have here.

For starters, here is a link that will bring you to a page that will hold many of the verses in the Bible that refer to the blood of the Lamb...that lamb being Jesus the Christ, the final sacrifice for the world's sin and whose blood was shed once, for all, to cover our sins if we accept His offering and sacrifice as atonement for those sins.

http://biblez.com/search.php?q=blood+of+the+lamb

Example of such verses:

1 Peter 1: 18-20 "For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. God chose him as your ransom long before the world began, but he has now revealed him to you in these last days."

Whenever you see "the blood of the Lamb" in these verses, with the word "lamb" in capital letters, it is referring to Jesus the Christ, the Son of God sent as sacrifice for our sins.

Here's another great site that you may find helpful...it's great for those who are seeking more knowledge about God and His Son, Jesus Christ:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/the-promises-of-god-10-powerful-bible-verses-1/

 

[Wannabefree]

MFFG Jesus is the Lamb of God. He died, His blood...cleanses us of sin. You really know nothing about Christianity huh?

This is what I know:

Jesus, Mary was the virgin mother, called the son of god, drink wine and eat bread representing blood and flesh, had followers, crucified supposedly by my ancestors (that's rather intriguing), or by romans....heck if I know what happened....uhhh, different denominations take in different parts.....I also know the false history that "the da vinci code" taught me, but I don't think much of that is true...

pretty much. He wasn't killed by your ancestors, but it was demanded by the san hedrin that he be killed by the romans.

 

[Mr.Andersson]

There were over 360 prophecies foretold about the coming Jewish Messiah -hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Jesus fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies. Of these 360+ prophecies, there are 109 that only Jesus (Yeshua) could have fulfilled. See complete list of 365 Messianic Prophecies here

http://www.bibleprobe.com/300great.htm

His name in Greek is Jesus, and His Hebrew name is Yehoshua. In Aramaic it's: "Yeshua".

 

[MarylandFutureFarmGuy]

You really want to go there?

I'm afraid I must turn down your reference. There are different versions of the bible, yes? Over Hundreds of years of translations and canonizations there has been quite a bit of mistranslation....notably, medieval Christians thought Jews had horns due the mistranslation of the phrase "karan Or Panav" describing how light shown on Moses Face. The stem "Karan" could either mean rays of light or Horns. In Hebrew, it is usually interpreted as this, and thus, this is why the famous Michelangelo Statue is portrayed with horns. Even the English versions of names are pronounced different: Moses was originally Moshe, Abraham was originally Avraham, Issac was originally itzhak, Jacob was originally Yaakov, and my favorite: Eve was originally Hava (with a stronger hebrew kh sound). Essentially, any translation is a mistranslation as very few languages, unless based upon one another, will have exact translations. Also, languages evolve and change over time. I'm not saying what you've been reading is necessarily wrong. However, the most accurate version is the original Hebrew, and for some passages, it would even be the original Aramaic, which, while the parent language to Hebrew, differs slightly.

The Torah has not changed for all its history. It is in the exact same Hebrew, the exact same order, the exact same font, the exact same type of paper, type of ink, and type of instruments. All English versions of the Torah that you read are direct translations from the Hebrew. Even then, a little meaning is lost, but unless you can read biblical Hebrew, I don't think It is possible to go any further.

Here are some english translations from the Book of Isiah:

Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)


Now, as far as I know, Jesus did not fulfill these.





For the record, I am not trying to tell you why your religion is wrong, I am just trying to show, from my own perspective, why the people of my religion do not accept yours.

 

[Mr.Andersson]

I competely understand where you are coming from. Yes, there are prophisys yet to be fulfilled, and you are not wrong.
Not a problem, I will quote from the Hebrew next time.

Sorry for the KJV, reference. I don't suppose you would belive me, if I told you that I do have a bible that is a Torah translation either. I was just trying to type a little less.

 

[Beekissed]

For the record, I am not trying to tell you why your religion is wrong, I am just trying to show, from my own perspective, why the people of my religion do not accept yours.

Just as I suspected and I'm glad you came right out and said it... You see, I know you are young and you are new here, but it is considered bad form on this forum to enter a thread merely to challenge those who participate on it or try to argue with what they are discussing. It's commonly called trolling.

As the title clearly states Bible Study group, this allows you to know exactly why this thread was created. No one really has a problem with those who are curious and would like to learn or participate as a learning experience...but that's not why you are here, is it? You are here to show us......up.

This isn't the "lets show people of my religion why we do not accept yours" thread...it's about studying the very book that you feel is so inaccurate. We are well aware of the controversy around the Bible and the translations thereof, but thanks for trying to educate us of such things.

I'm afraid I must turn down your reference.

Since this is ALL about the Bible and not one iota about the Torah, then you might wish to open your own thread about study of the Torah so that you won't have to be so confrontational....

You really want to go there?

....about what we study here.

Now, as far as I know, Jesus did not fulfill these.

.....YET.

Yes, we are all aware that Jewish folks despise that we feel Jesus is the Messiah and that we worship Him as such. We know you don't consider Him the Son of God, the Messiah, in any way.

We're old folks...we've been around the block(I personally dated a Jewish fellow for 2 years) and we know from whence you are coming. Please rest assured that you don't really need to drive that point home here...we are not unenlightened to the differences in our belief systems.

Thanks for offering your information for our learning experience but, in the future, if you really want people to be educated about your religious beliefs you may not want to come on quite so strong~same reason it's very frowned upon for Christians to go on other threads of other religions and "show them why we don't accept them"~it causes hard feelings that just aren't necessary.

 

[Nifty]

Hey Everybody!

Most large forums do not allow religious or political discussions because they almost always turn divisive. This thread has always been a concern for the moderators that the net good for the community may be outweighed by the cons. We've worked hard to give the members the benefit of the doubt and fortunately most members have been able to keep direct and flaming / trolling comments off of this thread.

We require that this continues. If we find that a few individuals are turning this thread into a heated debate with trolling, flaming, direct arguing, etc. they will receive warnings. If we find that the majority of active people in this thread are unable to control themselves and remain friendly and cordial, even when they disagree, we'll have no other choice but to close the thread.

Again, we hate having to do this kind of stuff, but when reports flood in we realize that members aren't happy and that our moderators have a bunch of extra work... we are then forced to weigh the pros and cons of certain topics and discussions.

So, before hitting the "submit" button on that next post, please take a break, re-read your entire post, and think, "Will this come across as trolling / flaming?" If there is a hint it may be... you may consider sending it privately, but definitely don't post it publicly.

 

[MarylandFutureFarmGuy]

I'm sorry you feel so insulted Beekissed, and perhaps you are right about somethings, and for that, I apologize. I simply found intrigue in the Bible study group, and while I do realize you feel this thread should be more Christian-centered, I simply read the beginning post that said "No bashing people or other religions," and thus I assumed talk of all religions would be welcome here. There is, after all, something called the Hebrew bible


For the record, I do not mean to "flame" nor "troll." Perhaps in my wording I seemed more confrontational than I meant, and it wouldn't be the first time that that has happened, and that is completely my fault.

You claim that you are well-aware of different versions, etc....I'm sorry if if I seemed condescending, I do not know much about the Christian educational system...I enjoy telling other's what I know, and I often go off on a tangent that may seem to go overboard other than the question itself.

In my opinion, a little debate is a good thing. Mr. Anderson asked me a question about the prophecies, and I told him that I could not accept that reference as reasoning, as it is from the Christian Bible, which, as you can imagine, is not accurate from the Jewish perspective. He was, after all, asking me, about Jewish Prophecies.

I'm sorry if I "put down" any of you, and I'll be sure to tone it down a bit, considering a moderator was involved.

I enjoy talking about Judaism, and it seems a few people like to discuss it, so if any one would like a separate Jewish/mixed studies thread, you can simply message me, and We can make one (should the moderator's approve).



And please, if anyone finds me, or anyone else for that matter, a little too confrontational, please don't be afraid to message!

 

[Beekissed]

No worries, mate! I wasn't insulted nor feeling like I had to defend my beliefs....just trying to preserve the integrity and the existence of the thread.

After receiving PMs from members about how confrontational your postings seemed to be, I thought I'd just let you know we try not to do that here.....sometimes it happens, but when it becomes pages and pages of back and forthing, it threatens our thread...as Nifty so pointed out.

We'd really like to keep this thread, we feel it's important for our community so I get a little...territorial... when I think someone is just coming on the thread to get brody. Some people do that in a deliberate attempt to get rid of a thread with which they don't agree(and Christians get that double on most forums..and sometimes give as goods as they get, sad to say). They start a series of tiffs and, before you know it, the innocent bystanders lose their thread that they cherish so.

Yeah..it's not my job to defend the thread but sometimes a person has just gotta' to say something...yeah, I'm only human and not like the Christ that I will always aspire to be... and I got a warning for it today and rightly so. (Thanks, Nifty! )

 

[Quail_Antwerp]

I just want to give a Praise the Lord

Today, I landed possibly the greatest barter of all time. Ran out of eggs, went to store, manager owns a bulk foods store about 45 minutes away. He's interested in possibly trading baking supplies for baked goods to sell in their store.

Um, yea!! Sign me up, Mister!

It reminds me of the story of the woman using the last of her oil and flour (meal?) to make bread to feed her son.