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Lol, I nursed DD till she was nearly 18 months, DS self weaned a little after a year. No drugs with neither. DD came flying out in 6 hours, DS in about 3. I do not mess around when I give birth!
 

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There really is a book called Wicca for Dummies , lol.

One good way to tell if you have blundered into a 'black arts' website is if there is a conspicuous absence of the idea that harming others will harm you as well.

For lots of Wiccans the beliefs of "An it harm none, do what ye will" and the "Rule of Three" (whatever you send out will be returned to you threefold) are very important. A variation on the idea of karma. Even a "good" spell to help another person, such as a healing spell, cannot be cast without the express permission of the person you want to cast it for as this would be 'controlling' and therefore, harmful. This is why so-called "love spells" are a no-no. You can cast a spell intended to help you recognize a future love when they come into your life because that is a spell cast on yourself; but you should not cast a spell that would make another person love you.

I have listened to wiccan wannabees try to figure out ways around this- Saying they wanted to place a curse on someone that had raped a woman or something like that. They felt that if the person deserved punishment they would get some sort of "free ride". It doesn't work that way. Karma, like Newton's Third Law (For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction) is not something you can "get around". There are times when a witch might feel that cursing someone is the right thing to do in spite of the Rule of Three. In this case, the witch is ACCEPTING THE CONSEQUENCES of his/her action.

By the way, it is impossible to completely avoid doing harm to others (even the act of breathing in and out kills uncounted numbers of bacteria), which is perhaps why we all have s*** happen in our lives ;)
 

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Britsea- By the way, it is impossible to completely avoid doing harm to others (even the act of breathing in and out kills uncounted numbers of bacteria), which is perhaps why we all have s*** happen in our lives


Of course. Just living and breathing, we all have an impact on something, and others. But, we can choose to do things that are harmful. I have never had the desire to follow Wicca. Or Druid. Or any of the other arts. I am just content being my little self, and doing the best I can, with what I have been given.
 

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Britesea said:
There really is a book called Wicca for Dummies , lol.

One good way to tell if you have blundered into a 'black arts' website is if there is a conspicuous absence of the idea that harming others will harm you as well.

For lots of Wiccans the beliefs of "An it harm none, do what ye will" and the "Rule of Three" (whatever you send out will be returned to you threefold) are very important. A variation on the idea of karma. Even a "good" spell to help another person, such as a healing spell, cannot be cast without the express permission of the person you want to cast it for as this would be 'controlling' and therefore, harmful. This is why so-called "love spells" are a no-no. You can cast a spell intended to help you recognize a future love when they come into your life because that is a spell cast on yourself; but you should not cast a spell that would make another person love you.

I have listened to wiccan wannabees try to figure out ways around this- Saying they wanted to place a curse on someone that had raped a woman or something like that. They felt that if the person deserved punishment they would get some sort of "free ride". It doesn't work that way. Karma, like Newton's Third Law (For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction) is not something you can "get around". There are times when a witch might feel that cursing someone is the right thing to do in spite of the Rule of Three. In this case, the witch is ACCEPTING THE CONSEQUENCES of his/her action.

By the way, it is impossible to completely avoid doing harm to others (even the act of breathing in and out kills uncounted numbers of bacteria), which is perhaps why we all have s*** happen in our lives ;)
I totally agree with you. Being wiccan mirrors my other ideals which are being a pacifist. I will not through my actions or intentions harm another soul. When I have to process animals to feed the family it is done through the process of thanking the animal for the sacrifice that they are giving so that we might live and in as a humane way as possible. We also use every item from the animal. We use as much as we can for food and whatever we can't becomes fertilizer for the gardens so that they might grow and nourish the animals for the following year. I have heard both the rule of three and the belief of harming. I think that Karma is another good way of looking at it and often I will bring it up as an example with my son when we are talking about it. It's a check and balance system. You can't do bad to get good in return because it doesn't balance out and it will come back to you eventually.
 

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Hello folks,

I gotta say WOW, this thread has and will make a great impact on my life!!

The discussion on this thread has really opened my (and DW's) mind to a life we just fell is for us. I'm just about done reading Wicca for Dummies (thanks Britesea), this is just the beginning.

DW and I went to a UU church service for the first time last Sunday and the discussion, or talk, (not really a sermon) was about Samhain, very enlightening. We are going to remember my mom who passed away little over a year ago. This new year is just the beginng of a different path for both of us.

Thanks for sharing all your thoughts, hope to see more discussion, but understand the desire for confidentiality.

is it proper to wish a merry orn happy samhain? jeez, i'm such a fluffybunny...
 

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nothing wrong with being a fluffy as long as your willing to put in the time and effort to learn, and it certainly sounds like thats the case to me.

welcome to the path, it tends to meander a little bit...but its a beautiful one in my opinion!

a blessed samhain to you!


i hope everyone else is also having a "happy new year" lol

im watching a movie, then going to have a good hot shower to both physically and mentally clense myself before i do my personal ritual :)
 

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HeHe... Can't help myself here... it's humor, but it's pagan humor :gig


More Pagan, Witch and
Witchcraft Humor

Now for those of you who are new, and have never encountered persons calling themselves pagans, witches, goddess-worshippers, here's how to tell us apart--with a healthy bit of tongue in one's cheek.

1. Bright-Eyed Novice:

You just read this cool book about a religion where there's a Goddess and a God, and they meet outside in nature, instead of some scary old building. They think sex is GOOD not evil, and you want to know where to sign up.

Distinguishing Signs:

Mispronounces god/dess names, has to think a moment about which is deosil and which is widdershins. Has a shiny new athame (rhymes with "A-frame".)

2. Grand Old Wo/Man:

Actually remembers Woodstock (the first one.) Will tell you about the time they dropped acid with Kerry Wendell Thornley - or maybe it was Robert Anton Wilson. Anyway, it was somebody with three names. Or was it three people with one name?

Distinguishing Signs:

Luxuriant gray locks, listens very intently, knows all the famous Witches' and Pagans you've only read about.

3. Tree Hugging Nature Sprite:

Most prized possession: one of Judi Barry's old tree spikes. Simultaneously believes in universal love for humanity AND returning the planet to a pristine, uncorrupted state. Apt to remove clothes and fondle the shrubbery at a moment's notice. Can discuss compost in great detail.

Distinguishing Signs:

No meat, no fragrance, no leather, no plastic, no smoke, no drugs, no eco-exploitive products, no animal tested cosmetics, no TV, no car, but very tolerant.

4. Anal Retentive Ceremonialist:

Book collection actually holds up the ceiling in places. Is studying Greek, Latin and Hebrew all at once. Does "workings" instead of "rituals". All twenty volumes of their magical diaries are all in Enochian.

Distinguishing Signs:

Won't go anywhere without a book. Is constantly aware of which direction is east. Dresses according to planetary conditions, or whatever was on sale at Wal-Mart.

5. Womyncentric Gynocrat

A man's shadow crossed her altar once and she spent three weeks purifying it. She'll have no wands in her chalice, thank you. No boys allowed in her full-moon club. Can hold forth for hours on the magical properties of menstrual blood.

Distinguishing Signs:

Tiny axes or curved knives, just right for amputating a penis, are a favored symbol and often hang conveniently from her body parts. When a man approaches she rolls her eyes and stops talking.

6. Sexy Pagan Nymph:

Oh, they're so nice! All that warm, round, sex-positive flesh -- and you can actually carry on a conversation with them between orgasms... pant, drool...

Distinguishing Signs:

Cute. Horny. Displays prominent cleavage. Will recite love poetry to you under a full moon. Likes to do it outdoors. Often destitute. All too few of them.

7. Corporate Closet Witch:

"Hey, boss -- I'd like to take February 2nd as a personal day..." Has an entire chapter of their Book Of Shadows concerned with spells for purifying the workplace. Doesn't mind working on Christmas, especially if there's overtime involved. Quit being overtly Pagan at work since being canned by that born-again boss, but still refuses to say "Merry Christmas."

Distinguishing Signs:

Can assume a properly smiley work persona at the drop of a hat. Constantly glances around the room anxiously looking for co-workers and their spies. Non-distinctive style of dress, no conspicuous tattoos.

8. Childe Ov Kaos:

Can name seventeen industrial goth bands without pausing to think. Knows what a Prince Albert is. Personally feels that if no panicky headlines appear the day after you do a ritual, you screwed up. Painted on their jacket, engraved in their flesh and/or boldly displayed as jewelry is an emblem which resembles a combination of corporate logo and arcane symbol. If you don't know what it means, they'll think you're a dweeb.

Distinguishing Signs:

Easy to picture as an alternative musician or bike messenger, difficult to visualize as a school teacher or research assistant, impossible to imagine as a TV news anchor or bank officer. Always wears black leather, even when sleeping.

9. Pagan Celebrity:

At conventions, stays on the hotel floor that requires a special key for elevator access. Lurks around knots of conversation eavesdropping in order to see if their name is being mentioned. Arrives in helicopter especially for rituals. Starts every sentence with "I". If you ask them how it's going, they hand you a press release.

Distinguishing Signs:

Always has plenty of books to autograph and will personally sell them to you at a slight discount from cover price. Never seen unaccompanied by beefy amazonian bodyguards and doe-eyed hangers-on. Seems vaguely afraid of anyone they don't already know.

10. Scary Devil Worshipper:

Would never be caught dead skyclad. Rarely smiles, except in a snide, knowing way which insinuates you are an ignorant peasant worthy of conquest. Secretly enjoys Rush Limbaugh and read The Bell Curve with smug satisfaction. Fascinated with Nazis. Probably has never hurt a fly, but they want you to think they're capable of vast destruction.

Distinguishing Signs:

Lots of black and red. Men like goatees, women favor heavy black eye liner. At least one inverted pentagram somewhere on their person. If you see several of them getting tanked in a bar, it would be wise to stay far away.

11. Crowley-In-A-Past-Life:

Every magical gathering has at least one of these, along with several variants along the lines of Gerald Gardner, Tituba, Morgan LeFey, or somebody who was Atlantean royalty. Many of them were abducted by aliens recently, and have disturbing dreams rich with arcane symbolism that they will tell you all about, in great detail.

Distinguishing Signs:

Look for the intense gleam in the eyes, the backpack rattling with various psychiatric medications, and the garments that were clearly designed and tailored on another planet.

12. Ravin' Pagan:

Young and psychedelic. Can dance non-stop all night. Refuses to do boring Eurocentric rituals and prefers deities from sunny climes with lots of interesting local plants. Can say "Ayahuasca" ten times real fast and deliver long quotes from Terrence McKenna.

Distinguishing Signs:

Dresses in color combinations that hurt the eyes unless you've taken ecstasy. Bloodshot eyes, blissful smile, never goes anywhere without ritual drum.

13. Faerie Queen:

Is he a she? Is she a he? Are they a couple, or are those two a couple or are all four of them a quadruple? If getting answers to these questions could disturb you, best stay away. If, on the other hand, these kind of questions seem overly judgmental, you might have a real good time...

Distinguishing Signs:

When you look at this person, does every sex act you've ever experienced in your life seem hopelessly vanilla? If so, congratulations -- you've found a Faerie!

14. High Episcopagan:

Do their rituals have a script, a choreographer, a stage manager, an orchestra with chorus and last at least three hours? It's a High Episcopagan! They can memorize pages and pages of Olde English, have more ritual garbs than most people have socks, and consider their main pagan influences to be Gerald Gardner, Judy Garland and Busby Berkeley.

Distinguishing Signs:

Book of Shadows exceeds five volumes. Knows every note of "Carmina Burana". Don't ask them about that 18th century seed pearl trim on their ritual hat unless you've got an hour to spare.

15. Fundamentapagan:

If it's in a book, it must be true. If it's in an old book, it must really be true. If it's in an old book that was handed down from an oral tradition of people who couldn't read or write, then it must really be way true. Gnashes their teeth if anyone shows up at a circle wearing a watch, glasses, or other mechanical assistance. Believes that anyone who lives in a city, eats meat or has a regular job, dare not call themselves a pagan.

Distinguishing Signs:

Has hissy fits when somebody brings up the old "Crowley ghosted Gardner's books" argument. Goes around correcting everyone's gaelic/old norse/latin/babylonian.

16. Dances With Bunny rabbits:

Uses animal symbolism to express nearly all opinions and feelings. Charter member of PETA. Thinks meat eaters should be publicly executed. Has many, many, many pets. Has a spirit animal. Personally owns 927 models, pictures, and other depictions of their spirit animal.

Distinguishing Signs:

Not counting the pagan his/herself, how many animals can you see when looking at them? If the count surpasses five (including critters found on tattoos, jewelry, garments and undies), you've found a worshipper of beasties.

17. Priest/ess of Political Correctness:

Analyzes everything they read or hear for sexist-racist-homophobic-imperialist-Eurocentric content without paying attention to what is actually being said. Believes in personal liberty -- everyone has the right to be overbearing, dogmatic and holier-than-thou, not just the Xtian Right. Incredibly boring yet annoyingly self-righteous all at the same time.

Distinguishing Signs:

Beady hyper-alert little eyes are constantly in motion, waiting for someone to do or say something bad. Has loud and attention attracting hissy fits when confronted with everyday things such as advertising or corporate franchises. Rudimentary sense of humor is rarely activated.

18. Our Lady Of Intense Suffering:

Is constantly persecuted. You're probably persecuting her right now, you just don't realize it. Became a Pagan because she decided it was the most persecuted religion of all. Can't enjoy anything because it would be selfish to have any fun when so many are suffering.

Distinguishing Signs:

Tales of woe. Even less of a sense of humor than #17. Bristles when anyone says the words "masochist" or "whining".

19. I Am Not Spock (at the moment):

Knows at least three filks about Cthulhu and at least forty Star Trek jokes. Has found a clever way to create simple furniture from stacks of science fiction paperbacks. Can name ninety different kinds of space ship.

Distinguishing Signs:

Two fisted drinking style. Probably still lives with parents. Many cryptic buttons, badges, patches and other insignia. Too smart for their own good.

20. Het-Case:

Insist that they aren't homophobic; they just believe that Paganism is about a goddess and a god and they do it and what could be more obvious than that? It just doesn't "work right" if you try any other way! Are secretly afraid that gays and/or lesbians are dying to jump their tender hetro bones.

Distinguishing Signs:

Living spaces abound with depictions of satyrs with enormous genitals and huge-breasted, doe-eyed goddesses. Long manicured nails and wreaths of flowers (on females only -- men have big, bushy beards instead.)

21. Norse Code:

Heroic and vikingly, these pagans often get into trouble with festival organizers and park rangers due to their fondness for running around with a huge battle-ax in one hand and a full mead horn in the other. They throw the best parties, but if you're a wimp, you're expressly not invited.

Distinguishing Signs:

Look for the large, foreboding, biker-like persons wearing runes, with many pounds of amber dangling from their necks.

22. Pentacles, Inc:

Pagans have disposable income too, right? So how come they aren't buying my hand forged Venus of Willendorf necklaces -- they come in silver and gold, and each one has a genuine cubic zirconium belly button. Would you like a reading? Will that be Visa or Master Card?

Distinguishing Signs:

Has business cards featuring little embossed pentagrams. You've never seen so much Egyptian god/dess jewelry on a human being in your whole life. Rarely leaves the dealer's room and can't believe there are so many jewelry sellers present.

23. Monster Truck Pagan:

Can grow their own food, build their own house, sew their own clothes, home school their children and brew their own mead. Are looking forward to the bleak, post-apocalyptic world postulated by the environmentalists as they can't wait to run amok through the country, worshipping ancient gods, blowing up strip malls and rutting on the divider line of every interstate.

Distinguishing Signs:

Resourceful, clever and very well versed in the U. S. Constitution. Eats meat with visible twitches of pleasure. is aware that primitive religions have nothing to do with crystals, Atlantis or unicorns. Can assume a properly smiley work persona at the drop of a hat. Constantly glances around the room anxiously looking for co-workers and their spies. Non-distinctive hair, no conspicuous tattoos.

... You may be a monster-truck pagan if your anointing oil is 30 weight.
... You may be a monster truck pagan if cakes & wine means tailgate party.
... You may be a monster truck pagan if Autumn is the Burning Time.
 
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