What is going on in Europe?

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me&thegals said:
I truly don't want to start a war here, but why are we hung up on tax cuts anyway? We have had the federal deficit increase to a crazy number, are submerged in 2 wars and have a horrible economic situation. Never before has our country gone to war without cutting drastically somewhere else or raising taxes to pay for it. Well, we didn't and now we have some really big issues to deal with. I guess I'm not going to sob if I don't get a $500 tax break this year. I just really hope that people who are seriously tight for money get the help they need and I hope people who make a huge amount of money don't bellyache about helping out a bit more.
Not to perpetuate a war, but it is exactly this kind of rationale that gave us these deficits and an ever-shrinking amount of liberty.
 

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I just really hope that people who are seriously tight for money get the help they need
The only help we need is to get gooberment's hand off our wallets.

They need to stop spending money on things government has no business doing in the first place.
 

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CJHames said:
me&thegals said:
I truly don't want to start a war here, but why are we hung up on tax cuts anyway? We have had the federal deficit increase to a crazy number, are submerged in 2 wars and have a horrible economic situation. Never before has our country gone to war without cutting drastically somewhere else or raising taxes to pay for it. Well, we didn't and now we have some really big issues to deal with. I guess I'm not going to sob if I don't get a $500 tax break this year. I just really hope that people who are seriously tight for money get the help they need and I hope people who make a huge amount of money don't bellyache about helping out a bit more.
Not to perpetuate a war, but it is exactly this kind of rationale that gave us these deficits and an ever-shrinking amount of liberty.
...and here I thought the war was costing us trillions of dollars, not my way of thinking. And here I also thought serious infringements on civil liberties were a problem for liberty, not my willingness to cough up money for roads, schools, social security and other gov't programs...
 

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The spending that has been done since Obama has been in office is larger than what was spent on those two wars and Katrina combined. Obama has only been in office about 6 weeks, just imagine how much he and the Congress can spend in the next two years, until we can get their attention with our votes! Our voices are certainly not being heard. What we are saying is being misunderstood. When people voted for hope and change they did not mean he should apoint familliar faces to the various cabinet posts. . .They did not mean he should have all kinds of tsars having power to make key changes and over see government agencies when these tsars are not veted by the Congress, like the cabinet is. . . We did not want more tax cheats and liars added to the large group we already pay in Washington. . . Change is not saying that there will be no lobbiests in my government (paraphrased) and then giving wavers to many that are "too knowledeable" to not be postd to key jobs. . . Change is not saying that legislation with earmarks will not be signed and then parseing the word "earmark" and parseing about when a piece of legislation was started in the Congressional process instead of when it will be signed into law! Many who were hopeing for "Hope and Change" are already seeing that the "Great One" is no better and no more truthful than those who came before him! It has only been about 6 weeks since he was sworn in and he has already put us in more debt than our government did during this countries first 200 years. I think that is quite an accomplishment. Unfortunatly, that accomplishment is not one that he should be proud of.
 
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VT-Chicklit said:
The spending that has been done since Obama has been in office is larger than what was spent on those two wars and Katrina combined. Obama has only been in office about 6 weeks, just imagine how much he and the Congress can spend in the next two years, until we can get their attention with our votes! Our voices are certainly not being heard. What we are saying is being misunderstood. When people voted for hope and change they did not mean he should apoint familliar faces to the various cabinet posts. . .They did not mean he should have all kinds of tsars having power to make key changes and over see government agencies when these tsars are not veted by the Congress, like the cabinet is. . . We did not want more tax cheats and liars added to the large group we already pay in Washington. . . Change is not saying that there will be no lobbiests in my government (paraphrased) and then giving wavers to many that are "too knowledeable" to not be postd to key jobs. . . Change is not saying that legislation with earmarks will not be signed and then parseing the word "earmark" and parseing about when a piece of legislation was started in the Congressional process instead of when it will be signed into law! Many who were hopeing for "Hope and Change" are already seeing that the "Great One" is no better and no more truthful than those who came before him! It has only been about 6 weeks since he was sworn in and he has already put us in more debt than our government did during this countries first 200 years. I think that is quite an accomplishment. Unfortunatly, that accomplishment is not one that he should be proud of.
I may be wrong, but I think the war was at about 600 billion. The bailout for the wall street guys and the banks was 760 billion. That was before Obama took office. The stimulus plan is about 879 billion if I remember right. Might be off a few billion. The budget isn't passed yet. So far Bush is the leader.

It's really strange wearing the shoe on the other foot now.

We should get back to chickens.
 

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me&thegals said:
CJHames said:
me&thegals said:
I truly don't want to start a war here, but why are we hung up on tax cuts anyway? We have had the federal deficit increase to a crazy number, are submerged in 2 wars and have a horrible economic situation. Never before has our country gone to war without cutting drastically somewhere else or raising taxes to pay for it. Well, we didn't and now we have some really big issues to deal with. I guess I'm not going to sob if I don't get a $500 tax break this year. I just really hope that people who are seriously tight for money get the help they need and I hope people who make a huge amount of money don't bellyache about helping out a bit more.
Not to perpetuate a war, but it is exactly this kind of rationale that gave us these deficits and an ever-shrinking amount of liberty.
...and here I thought the war was costing us trillions of dollars, not my way of thinking. And here I also thought serious infringements on civil liberties were a problem for liberty, not my willingness to cough up money for roads, schools, social security and other gov't programs...
The rationale I was referring to was your thoughts on tax cuts, not the war (plural) and other government spending.
 

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Big Daddy said:
VT-Chicklit said:
The spending that has been done since Obama has been in office is larger than what was spent on those two wars and Katrina combined. Obama has only been in office about 6 weeks, just imagine how much he and the Congress can spend in the next two years, until we can get their attention with our votes! Our voices are certainly not being heard. What we are saying is being misunderstood. When people voted for hope and change they did not mean he should apoint familliar faces to the various cabinet posts. . .They did not mean he should have all kinds of tsars having power to make key changes and over see government agencies when these tsars are not veted by the Congress, like the cabinet is. . . We did not want more tax cheats and liars added to the large group we already pay in Washington. . . Change is not saying that there will be no lobbiests in my government (paraphrased) and then giving wavers to many that are "too knowledeable" to not be postd to key jobs. . . Change is not saying that legislation with earmarks will not be signed and then parseing the word "earmark" and parseing about when a piece of legislation was started in the Congressional process instead of when it will be signed into law! Many who were hopeing for "Hope and Change" are already seeing that the "Great One" is no better and no more truthful than those who came before him! It has only been about 6 weeks since he was sworn in and he has already put us in more debt than our government did during this countries first 200 years. I think that is quite an accomplishment. Unfortunatly, that accomplishment is not one that he should be proud of.
I may be wrong, but I think the war was at about 600 billion. The bailout for the wall street guys and the banks was 760 billion. That was before Obama took office. The stimulus plan is about 879 billion if I remember right. Might be off a few billion. The budget isn't passed yet. So far Bush is the leader.

It's really strange wearing the shoe on the other foot now.

We should get back to chickens.
Wrong board BD. No chickens here.

Techincally, Obama spent the last $350 billion of The No Bank Left Behind Act. Bush left it for him. He didn't have to spend it, but let the record show O spent it.

$350 billion for Wall Street
$470 billion for FY budget just passed
$879 billion for "stimulus" - lmbo - plan
= $1.7 trillion in 6 weeks.

Whew, that's gonna make all our children & grandchildren poor. And their grandchildren and ......
 

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Big Daddy said:
Sorry, lets get back to bullets.
From what I hear, a case of .308 ammo will cost roughly as much as one month of fighting in Afghanistan pretty soon.:lol:
 
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