Healthy Fats and Oils.......IMO!

[Wifezilla]

I think debates like this give us all a chance to state our views and post our sources. Then others who read can decide what is best to do for themselves.

I get pretty passionate about this topic because following standard gvmnt food advice was literally killing me. All the time I thought I was doing the right thing I was destroying my health.

 

[hennypenny9]

It's like a lady at my work... She follows the established thinking to a T. Low fat diet, little to no red meat, etc, etc. She is skinny, and very active. She was just diagnosed with colon cancer. You know what the doctors recommended? Full fat cream, meat, you name it. Why? To combat the weight she'll lose during chemo. I bet she gets healthier just from the diet shift. I hope, because she's the sweetest person. And she tried so hard to do what was good for her.

 

[big brown horse]

Henny, that is soo sad. I'm sorry for you and your coworker.

There are a bunch of unhealthy skinny folks out there.

This way of eating just seems right. I was immediately drawn to this topic right away when I first got into this forum. I am so glad to have my eyes opened.

 

[Lovechooks]

And possibly we scared off Loveschooks... It's just strong opinions! I enjoy reading different thoughts, and lively discussions!

Nope, I'm pretty tough, I'm cool with people having different opinions to me, and am secure in my beliefs that I don't need to get offended when others disagree with me.

I put my stuff out there but know it's not my life goal to change others into thinking my way if people want to take bits of it and use it so be it if not, well that's ok too .

Life is like that, sheesh if we all thought the same no one would learn anything and the world would be a very boring place.

 

[freemotion]

I figured you were, LC, you seem pretty grounded! We should get our appointment books out and do an exchange some time....

 

[Wifezilla]

Found this little gem today....

"For both men and women, these data indicate that average daily fat consumption falls between 1977 and 1985, and the rate of decline accelerates between 1985 and 1990. Average fat consumption for women is 73.3 grams per day in spring 1977 and declines significantly by 3.7 grams in the eight years between 1977 and 1985. Average fat consumption falls significantly by an additional 7.5 grams per day in the next four years, so that fat consumption for women in the 1989/90 sample is 62.1 grams per day. For men, fat consumption in summer 1977 is 112.8 grams per day, which declines significantly by 5.3 grams by 1985. Fat consumption falls significantly by an additional 14.9 grams per day in the post-1985 period, resulting in a 92.6 grams per day average by 1989/90.

Changes in saturated fat consumption generally parallel changes in fat consumption. As with fat, the absolute reductions in saturated fat consumption are larger in the post-1985 period than in the pre-1985 period. For women saturated fat consumption is 26.2 grams per day in spring 1977 and drops by 1.0 grams by 1985. Consumption falls by an additional 3.5 grams per day in the 1985-1989/90 period, to 21.7 grams per day in 1989/90. For men, average saturated fat consumption declines by 1.0 grams per day from 1977 to 1985 and an additional 7.2 grams per day in the following years, to 32.4 grams per day in 1989/90.

Cholesterol consumption shows the same pattern of accelerated decline in the post-1985 period, and the magnitude of the acceleration is more pronounced than for the other food components, though a change in the cholesterol data for eggs in 1987 suggests the need for caution in assessing the magnitude of this result. For women, daily cholesterol consumption declines from 345.3 milligrams in 1977 to 304.9 milligrams in 1985. By 1989/90 average daily cholesterol consumption falls to 221.2 milligrams (this number is estimated to be approximately 266 milligrams if the old cholesterol data for eggs are used). For men, average daily cholesterol consumption is 498.9 milligrams in 1977, 446.6 milligrams in 1985, and 389 milligrams in 1989/90.

In summary, these aggregate results indicate that the average consumption of fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol declined significantly during the years 1977 to 1990 for both men and women"
http://www.ftc.gov/be/hilites/fatexsum.shtm

As fat and cholesterol consumption has gone down over the years, we have seen more obesity, more heart disease, and more cancer. The OPPOSITE of what we were told reducing the intake of these items would do.

 

[Blue Skys]

I've been learning alot from ya'lls discusion. My hubby has heart problems on his dads side of the family (his father and both of his fathers parents, and after them I'm not sure). Lately we have both been realizing that we need to eat better and take better care of ourselves.

I hope that by changing our lifestyle, I can keep him around for many, many years to come. So I just wanted to say thanks for the change provoking topic!!!!

 

[Javamama]

Free, have you read anything by Brian Peskin? It's really interesting stuff. He compiles alot of research by Otto Warburg. In a nutshell, cancer can't survive in an oxygen rich environment and discusses taking essential oils in a specific ratio. He terms them Parent Essential Oils. I started taking the oils as recommended and I'm still tweaking my dosage, but know of quite a few other ladies who are having great results with a multitude of problems.
Anyway, it's a little different than what you do. Not arguing that a different way is better - I just happened upon something else that works too.
His latest book is "The Hidden Story of Cancer" but it's not just about preventing cancer. He also recommends getting the carbs out of the diet, which I'm finding more and more research agrees with. I still have alot of learning to do.

edit to add: this is a great thread, so much good info! and what is taught about diet in the mainstream is appalling. I have to undo so much "learning" my kids get at school. And my little brother is becoming a nurse - oh the debates we will have! He's kind of open to my info so far thank goodness.

 

[Wifezilla]

Found a review on a book I think I need all of a sudden...

"The medical (and social) consensus is that cardiovascular disease is caused by being overweight, by having a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet and by unhealthy activities such as smoking.

While being morbidly obese, eating nothing but lard and smoking 60 a day will probably lead to an early grave, there is nevertheless a lot of confusion about the precise link between lifestyle and this, the biggest killer of all.
Many people with high cholesterol levels in their blood do not get heart disease. Many people with very low levels do.
The very low levels of heart disease recorded in some populations, notably the Japanese, may have more to do with cultural variation and prejudice than with medical reality (in many societies, what are, in fact, heart attacks are often listed on death certificates as 'strokes').
Furthermore, some of the lowest levels of cholesterol and arterial sclerosis are to be found in populations such as the Inuit and Siberian hunter-gatherers, who live on a diet which is incredibly high in saturated fat."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...izzlers-GOOD-polar-bears-ARENT-dying-out.html

 

[Lovechooks]

Found a review on a book I think I need all of a sudden...

"The medical (and social) consensus is that cardiovascular disease is caused by being overweight, by having a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet and by unhealthy activities such as smoking.

While being morbidly obese, eating nothing but lard and smoking 60 a day will probably lead to an early grave, there is nevertheless a lot of confusion about the precise link between lifestyle and this, the biggest killer of all.
Many people with high cholesterol levels in their blood do not get heart disease. Many people with very low levels do.
The very low levels of heart disease recorded in some populations, notably the Japanese, may have more to do with cultural variation and prejudice than with medical reality (in many societies, what are, in fact, heart attacks are often listed on death certificates as 'strokes').
Furthermore, some of the lowest levels of cholesterol and arterial sclerosis are to be found in populations such as the Inuit and Siberian hunter-gatherers, who live on a diet which is incredibly high in saturated fat."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...izzlers-GOOD-polar-bears-ARENT-dying-out.html

I am really interested in what you attribute to causing heart disease if not smoking and high fats/sentry lifestyle.:/

It has been proven that the above cause these illnesses, and using the inuit and hunter gathers as an example isn't really suitable as they are not living anywhere near the lifestyle that westerners are. They are woking all day to catch their food! They arn't smoking cigarettes that are man made!

Surely you also don't think smoking doesn't cause heart disease too!!!