How do a person's political views relate to self sufficiency?

[FarmerChick]

I think we got the word wealthy to mean a few things....we all say "the wealthy" and think someone making 1.2 mil per year---or someone making 3.2 mil per year but they own business which employs people etc. and all that goes with it.

Then there is that "wealthy" that should include "power"

So I think we throw out wealthy as a term to mean a few things and we have to be a little more exact to mean the powerful.....ahhh...to have that power. And so few have that power and that is scary.

and more and more are getting that individual power over the world and its earth and its environment and its products and its governing and its future.

 

[ScottSD]

[So, to me it looks like political systems have tremendous impact on how/whether their citizens are able to sustain themselves.]

Absolutely, but I don't feel our political beliefs really make a difference. A lot of people vote for politicians that don't really represent their views overall, but have one little niche such as pro choice or pro life that fully influence their decision. The rest of the package doesn't matter to them. As long as the one issue is covered that is who they are voting for.

Best post of the day, IMO.

His was a very good post. And, here's my take on the "moral" issues he mentioned and how those moral issues influence people.

My Opinion? If you can't trust a person based on moral grounds, how can you trust them on anything else?

Example: Clinton and Lewinsky
Example: The tax cheats in the Obama administration.
Example: The so-called safe school czar and his list of wonderful sex books.
Example: The self proclaimed communist and now resigned Van Jones from the Obama administration. (thanks to Beck! )

The government is taking over private industry, is firing CEO's and is telling the companies how much they are allowed to pay their executives. The failing auto industry is being told how to make cars, at a loss. This seems fairly straightforward evidence that the government controls private enterprise, rather than the other way around.

As my 10 year old granddaughter would say: DUH.

Now THAT is one of the best posts of the day. What does the government have any business directing corporations what they can do?

Where is that in the constitution?

I think we got the word wealthy to mean a few things....we all say "the wealthy" and think someone making 1.2 mil per year---or someone making 3.2 mil per year but they own business which employs people etc. and all that goes with it.

Then there is that "wealthy" that should include "power"

So I think we throw out wealthy as a term to mean a few things and we have to be a little more exact to mean the powerful.....ahhh...to have that power. And so few have that power and that is scary.

and more and more are getting that individual power over the world and its earth and its environment and its products and its governing and its future.

yep. anyone in power must be evil. Unless I misunderstood you, isn't that what you are getting at?

 

[Big Daddy]

The government is taking over private industry, is firing CEO's and is telling the companies how much they are allowed to pay their executives. The failing auto industry is being told how to make cars, at a loss. This seems fairly straightforward evidence that the government controls private enterprise, rather than the other way around.

As my 10 year old granddaughter would say: DUH.

I believe at this point in time the only industries owned are Chrysler and GM. The help was requested by the CEO's who came to DC with their hats in their hands begging for a bailout. The CEO of GM was fired for incompetence by the majority stockholder. Who just happened to be Uncle Sam. GM is now turning a profit and is expecting to pay their money back 2 years ahead of time. I'm not sure about Chrysler. The government does not control private enterprise. Just the facts Mam.

 

[FarmerChick]

not in the slightest.

I am saying the super powerful people of this world are not in the news, they are not known, and there are always forces that shape nations and the world....now they just are not in your tv being chatted about.

Global intricate economic situations that most normal living people can't fathom.

Money is power if you have the power to the level way above what is known. One big company, owning tons of small companies.......most of the time never knowing who actually "owns that company' all shifting back to one big corp.

Beatrice Food corp is an example off the top of my head.


No, wealthy people do not equal evil. But there are rotten apples in every bunch from the poorest of poor to the wealthiest of wealth.

 

[ScottSD]

The government is taking over private industry, is firing CEO's and is telling the companies how much they are allowed to pay their executives. The failing auto industry is being told how to make cars, at a loss. This seems fairly straightforward evidence that the government controls private enterprise, rather than the other way around.

As my 10 year old granddaughter would say: DUH.

I believe at this point in time the only industries owned are Chrysler and GM. The help was requested by the CEO's who came to DC with their hats in their hands begging for a bailout. The CEO of GM was fired for incompetence by the majority stockholder. Who just happened to be Uncle Sam. GM is now turning a profit and is expecting to pay their money back 2 years ahead of time. I'm not sure about Chrysler. The government does not control private enterprise. Just the facts Mam.

Ummm........OK.....and exactly how does the government have any power firing anyone in private industry?

Where is that in the constitution?

How about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?
How about Amtrak, CREATED by congress in 1970?

And.....if the liberal left gets their way.......the health care system?

And, one could argue that all of the subsidies handed out to farmers every year by the government is giving the government control over them as well.

 

[Ldychef2k]

Guess all those news reports and interviews were wrong. Or maybe you just didn't see them.

ETA: It seems that giving examples of government taking over car companies proves MY point, not yours. saying "only", still proves that it has been done, whether voluntarily or "justified". Thanks for your help.

 

[ScottSD]

Guess all those news reports and interviews were wrong. Or maybe you just didn't see them.

So the news reports and interviews explained how it was constitutional?

I guess I must have not seen them...or maybe I misunderstood your post?

 

[Ldychef2k]

Guess all those news reports and interviews were wrong. Or maybe you just didn't see them.

So the news reports and interviews explained how it was constitutional?

I guess I must have not seen them...

Directed at BD....

 

[ScottSD]

sorry about that!

You are right. The government is in a lot of areas of our economy.

 

[Big Daddy]

.....those with all the wealth control our destinies.......

There's that Hope and Blame I have heard so many times from the left!

Blame the wealthy! It must be their fault!


psssst....BD how many poor people do you know create jobs?

Doesn't saying that the wealthy control our destinies basically say there's nothing we as self-sufficient people can do about it?

How many wealthy people do you know that are creating jobs? As for poor people there may be a few. The people that create jobs in this country are the small business owners. Right now they have a problem though. They would like to expand their businesses. They see niches where they can earn money and create jobs. You know, capitalism as it's supposed to work. Unfortunately the banks wont lend them money. Why? It's not because they have bad credit. It's because the banks can make better money investing in the stock market. There's no risk because the money was given to them by us to make loans with.

Wealthy people pay a lower overall percentage of tax that the ordinary middle class Joe the plumber. Obviously they pay a lot more dollar wise but the % of gross earnings is lower. Ask Warren Buffet. He's the one that pointed out that his secretary pays more than he does. Corporations move over seas into countries with no taxes and have their products made in countries that pay slave wages with no benefits. Huge profits on the bottom line and no taxes. Yet they enjoy all the benefits of selling in the US with no tariffs and all the benefits of being an American citizen. Meanwhile taking jobs that the ordinary Joe needs to survive.

My question is why anybody would support this?

Sorry OP. we are way off post.