Obama finally called them out

[reinbeau]

No, 100% of the predictions haven't been wrong. There was a group of wise men over 200 years ago who knew these days were coming but still tried to prevent them by crafting amazing documents founding this country. Too bad so many are willing to ignore them, or 'chafe under the constraints' and try to mutilate them; while their constituents trustingly continue to support them, believing they know the right measures to take; all while they rip the country to shreds. Those wise men are spinning in their graves.

 

[patandchickens]

No, 100% of the predictions haven't been wrong.

What truly catastrophic collapses have happened in the US? OK, I suppose you could say the Civil War and the Great Depression, which some people did in fact expect; fair enough. But other than that, what's really on par with these scary stories about martial law or government seizing all private property or nationwide rioting/anarchy or that sort of thing?

So, ok, Civil War and Depression -- then I stand corrected, it is merely 99.9999% of the predictions that have been wrong.

('Cuz remember, the number OF such predictions is huge, as people go around predicting these sort of collapse-of-society things all the time, every day of every single year, at least they have during my lifetime and my parents', and certainly before then too, although I expect the rate used to be lower due to less widespread distribution of printed materials and no internet ) Not to mention the very popular "end of the world" genre, which predictions TRULY LITERALLY HAVE been 100% wrong so far.

Again, not to say these things might not happen someday and someone may happen to correctly predict them; but if you look at historical batting averages...

Pat

 

[reinbeau]

Sorry, Pat, but I believe the decline of the United States over the past 28 or so years is definitely a major collapse. It's my opinion and my evaluation of how things have been over my adult years. You, of course, are entitled to believe what you want.

 

[farmerlor]

No, 100% of the predictions haven't been wrong. There was a group of wise men over 200 years ago who knew these days were coming but still tried to prevent them by crafting amazing documents founding this country. Too bad so many are willing to ignore them, or 'chafe under the constraints' and try to mutilate them; while their constituents trustingly continue to support them, believing they know the right measures to take; all while they rip the country to shreds. Those wise men are spinning in their graves.

Those "wise me" were just men. Politicians, much like we have now who were looking out for their own self interests just like the ones we have now do. They are not to be revered or worshiped and the "amazing document" they drafted is also not worthy of worship. There are things written in that document that we are now ashamed of and as time passes that list grows. Let's get real and stop putting any of the men who have led our country on pedestals. Of course if we ever get a qualified woman (note I said QUALIFIED) in office all bets are off.

 

[Wifezilla]

There was a group of wise men over 200 years ago who knew these days were coming but still tried to prevent them by crafting amazing documents founding this country. Too bad so many are willing to ignore them, or 'chafe under the constraints' and try to mutilate them; while their constituents trustingly continue to support them, believing they know the right measures to take; all while they rip the country to shreds. Those wise men are spinning in their graves.

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[patandchickens]

In that case, I think nearly every generation has experienced a major collapse, as defined by many of each generation's members ("oh, to be back in the good old days when" "the world's going to heck in a handbasket" "I pity my children's generation and my grandchildren, having to live in this modern world where")

To me, it's not a collapse til it actually HAPPENS -- thinking the conditions are such that one pin more will break the camel's back is still just theory or opinion. One that is more often than not, historically, not borne out by actual events as they transpire.

You too are entitled to believe what you want, of course. Collapsified though you may think the USA is, in that regard it is STILL a free country, putting it well ahead of a great many others I might point out


Pat

 

[MorelCabin]

I have to agree with Pat in her observations, I mean really and truly, I have been reading about marshal law for 15 years now and it is ALWAYS just around the corner...with Y2K it was going to happen, with 9/11 it was going to happen, there have been other instances as well, but it never actually happens, and if it did...who knows, I think it is chalked up to be a whole lot more than it actually will be.

 

[Big Daddy]

Sorry Reinbeau for disputing something you said. Your right I'm not that well informed about Maine politics. I have heard a lot about Olympia Snow lately. Before you condemn me you shoud find out what I do know. I may vey well be much more informed than you o you should determine that before you make your blanket assertions.

ETR

Expanding Medicaid is not a bad thing. There are a lot more people in need right now. The poverty level in this country has gone up drastically in the last 8 years. I know the popular concept of welfare recipients is a bunch of n good lazy people living on the public dime when they could easily be earning 2 or 3 thousand a month and paying their own way. Yes that obviously does happen a lot. However it is a small fraction of the overall use of welfare. The majority of people on welfare are unwed mothers with too many children to be able to work. they also conclude drug and alcohol addicts that are easy to look down on and decide they should be thrown on the human trash heap. However they are human too. We don't know their story. It's our job to take care of them just as you would help a stray dog. There are also people with physical conditions that draw welfare. Welfare pays a pittance to it's recipients. Medicaid needs to be expanded to meet the needs of those in need.When they talk about fraud in Medicaid and Medicare they are usually referring to doctors and hospitals charging for fictitious patients. So if Medicaid needs to be expanded it needs to be expanded. Medicare needs the same thing.

As for all those wonderful wise men that wrote the Constitution. The Constitution was written a long time ago by a bunch of businessmen and lawyers. It was meant as a framework to run society. That is why there are so many amendments to the Constitution. Laws have to change as the times change. I doubt that Jefferson and Franklin and Adams had any idea what kind of nation America would grow in to. It is up to theSupreme Court to decide constitutionality of legislation. Not Glenn Beck or Rush or any of the non ending cast of clowns that have a microphone and an agenda.

The only thing in America going downhill is the job situation, the health situation, the educational system, our standing in the world community and tolerance of people with different ideas. Our standing n the world community has quadrupled in the past 8 months, the health situation will get better once reform is passed and put in to place, hopefully something can be done about education, tolerance of people with dfferent belief will always be a problem fr some.

JMO

 

[SKR8PN]

Big Daddy.....I would love to know where you get your information. You just stated that EXPANDING Medicare is not a bad thing, and I agree with you 100%. But that statement is the exact opposite of what Obama and his cronies plans to do........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c8_1252674996

 

[Big Daddy]

Big Daddy.....I would love to know where you get your information. You just stated that EXPANDING Medicare is not a bad thing, and I agree with you 100%. But that statement is the exact opposite of what Obama and his cronies plans to do........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c8_1252674996

They're talking about squeezing the waste and fraud out of Medicare. The overall plan is to expand Medicare.

Wait a second. Is this more of the Palin "They're going to euthanize Grandma" stuff? Obama made it quite clear in his speech on Wednesday that they were not reducing Medicare benefits or cutting back in any way shape or form. They would be looking at ways to decrease fraud and over billing by doctors though.