Presidential Debate--who watched?

[Homesteadmom]

I told my dh last night that I should run for president & he laughed! Can you believe that?

Here is my platform:

Taxes: everyone pays 5% across the board, that way everyone is paying the same rate & those who make more pay more.
Bring back the deductions for healthcare costs & credit card interest. Increase the amount you can deduct for charitable contributions. Increase the child deduction from $3500 to $7000. But then again I would abolish the IRS as they are not legal according to our constitution so no need for any of this is there?
Go back to 2 representitives from each state in congress & put the electoral college back to the way it was intended by our forefathers. All unconstitutional rulings by the supreme court would be overturned & returned back to the states. Reduce the amount of money congressman make. Eliminate all pork & earmarks in bills(make them illegal).
Businesses would be required to apply for a license & pay a one time fee only. They would only pay a small fee. Vehicles would not be required to be paid for every single yr. You would get perminate tags for as long as you own your vehicle. Property taxes would be paid when you buy the property & that is it.
Schools would go back to being a part of the commuity to run not fed's or states.
The only taxes you pay would be on purchases.
FOr federal contracts, we would set a limit on how much we would pay for things & if the bids all came in to high I would send them back & say they were all to high, if you want our business go lower. To stop the $300 toiliet seats & $100 hammers! Hire the small time handyman to fix & repair things if the others don't bid within our limit.
Healthcare: Not too sure about this issue as it is pretty sensitive area for a lot of people. I am not in favor of gov't ran program as they don't work well in other countries. But I think we could put limits on charges to make it more affordable for our citizens, along with insurance premiums. And really scrutinze law suits that are filed to help keep costs down, If they have no merit throw them out. Plus I feel we can better choose with our doc's what & how to treat ourselves than a gov't offical.
Energy: WE would "drill baby drill" to start with, but we would do it safely & enviornmentally safe too. We would invest in solar, wind & tide asap too. Make incentives for people to get these types of power. Help to lower the costs of these choices too. Creating more jobs by making all this more readily available. One of the things I would do about drilling is reopen rigs & quit paying people to not pump the oil here in the states. And refuse to pay the high prices for oil they are charging now. How fast do you think it would drop?
Farms: would be considered a valuable job. We would stop importing everything & start producing more here again. Learn to eat seasonally & go back to putting up food while it is in season.
Welfare would be temporary for everyone except for those who have a permanent situation, ie disability & a low income for life.
Maybe bring back a CC group like from the 30's, they did a lot of good for our country & earned a living too.
Debt: Well we all know about this one don't we? Stop spending! Only buy & pay for what we absolutely have to have & no more. Use the rest to pay off all our loans & get us out of debt with the rest of the world. Then we would no longer be a part of a global economy & be a SS country! Imagine that!
Okay I think that is it. Dh says I am too far right to get elected though.

 

[Better Half]

Today they were comparing tax plans & health care plans of both candidates. Guess what Obama's tax plan will hurt those making $25-$47k/yr the most(guess where our income is?).

Well that's the opposite of everything I've heard. From what I've read everyone making under $200k get a cut under Obama. But they are just proposed plans that I feel won't go anywhere.

You can spend days here reading about tax plans http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID=1840

Check the truth-o-meter. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/subjects/taxes/?gclid=CIqOjrmjp5YCFSKhiQodYh1wxw

 

[reinbeau]

Ok, this is where being a moderator gets really hard for me. I will come right out and say I am totally against Obama and will remain so, even though I fear the 'truth-o-meters' that all have been set for him are going to win him the election.

Please let's not go there. That truth-o-meter is so obviously rigged it isn't funny. No, I am not going to go tit-for-tat on this. It isn't worth it. Fact check organizations that are backed by the likes of George Soros aren't going to give us any facts at all, just spin, and left leaning spin at that.

I don't like McCain but he's the one that's going to hurt me less, and that's who I'm voting for. People who don't want to hear anything bad about Obama will elect him - and remember, when you vote, you get what you deserve. Unfortunately I don't deserve it, nor does anyone else who sees the truth behind Obama.

I am truly sad at what is going to happen to the United States of America. The best times are gone. Soon we will be a member of the EU, which is what the globalists all want. Be prepared.

 

[roosmom]

That wasnt so hard was it Reinbeau?
I think lots of people do think like us, they just dont want to voice it.
Homesteadmom, you got my vote, but you need to use caps not limits. CAP EVERYTHING.
Start making birthcontrol mandatory, because we as a country cannot afford to feed ourselves now, much less in 15yrs or more.
Eliminate plea bargaining and all stays of executions.
Ok thats all for now.

HOMESTEADMOM FOR PRESIDENT!

 

[Zenbirder]

I want to respectfully ask a question of the people here who oppose Obama, please this is not intended as a flame or to incite, I am just really curious.

I read a lot in your posts about the state's rights, abortion, taxes etc. as part of your intent not to vote for him... but is there any part of this "feeling" of non-trust and dislike that some of you have expressed that is because he is black?

From what I read in magazines and newspapers this is a real historically based bias that resides within some family ties and discussions, regardless of PC or not, just a fact that will influence some percentage of voters. Anyone care to comment one way or another and still keep the discussion civil and realistic, no finger pointing or shame from either side?

 

[Woodland Woman]

Zenbirder- I respect your right to your opinion and I will not put you down for it. There is no animosity on my part because of Obama being black. I don't think we should vote or not vote for someone because of their race. We need to vote for someone because we agree with them on the issues. This being said I would like to tell you what a black person who is a member of my family thinks of Obama. My brother-in -law disagrees with him on almost everything. He even has my sister convinced to vote against him and she has always voted democratic. They live in Chicago and hear more on the news about local scandals involving Obama. His family, especially his mother is about ready to disown him if he doesn't vote for Obama. I think it is racist for someone to vote for someone because of their race and it goes both ways.

I am not thrilled with McCain either but I feel we would be safer as a nation if he is elected.

The one thing I hope happens because of this election is that more average people get into politics and start running for office. Washington needs a dose of reality, they are really out of touch.

 

[Beekissed]

I want to respectfully ask a question of the people here who oppose Obama, please this is not intended as a flame or to incite, I am just really curious.

I read a lot in your posts about the state's rights, abortion, taxes etc. as part of your intent not to vote for him... but is there any part of this "feeling" of non-trust and dislike that some of you have expressed that is because he is black?

From what I read in magazines and newspapers this is a real historically based bias that resides within some family ties and discussions, regardless of PC or not, just a fact that will influence some percentage of voters. Anyone care to comment one way or another and still keep the discussion civil and realistic, no finger pointing or shame from either side?

If I voted at all , it would not matter what their color was....in fact, if Condoleezza Rice was running, I would dust off my voter registration card in a heartbeat!

 

[ScottyG]

Ok, this is where being a moderator gets really hard for me. I will come right out and say I am totally against Obama and will remain so, even though I fear the 'truth-o-meters' that all have been set for him are going to win him the election.

Please let's not go there. That truth-o-meter is so obviously rigged it isn't funny. No, I am not going to go tit-for-tat on this. It isn't worth it. Fact check organizations that are backed by the likes of George Soros aren't going to give us any facts at all, just spin, and left leaning spin at that.

I am truly sad at what is going to happen to the United States of America. The best times are gone. Soon we will be a member of the EU, which is what the globalists all want. Be prepared.

I don't want to go "tit-for-tat" on this either, but would just like to point out that in the many conversations I've had with people about this election, you are possibly the first person I've heard question the rightness of the researched facts presented by websites like the truth-o-meter, factcheck.org, and the like. I have no interest (nor do you, it seems) in arguing it, but when you say it's "obviously rigged" I think, well, it's sure not obvious to me or many other folks I've spoken to.

I'm not sure what this about America being part of the European Union means... but when you say "globalist" I immediately think of Free Trade, the globalization policy that John McCain has publicly supported time and time again.

EDITED TO ADD: But I understand it's a super tricky issue. Don't mean to pick fights or square off sides... just to say that none of this is simple and straightforward.

 

[Quail_Antwerp]

I have a question about Obama, as no one has answered this for me. I am NOT trying to start an argument, I really want an honest answer.

There was question about where he was born. I heard it rumored, and I will say rumored because I didn't see proof, that he produced a fake Hawaiin birth certificate, and that they were demanding Obama prove he was born on US Soil. I heard that if he can't prove it, he can't be President? Does anyone know if this was resovled?

Now I have stated emphatically that I am going to vote for McCain, but that isn't because I like him...I don't like him at all! But I like Obama less, and it has nothing to do with skin color. Shoot, my brother is black, and if he was running for Pres he would totally have my vote!!

I truly hope that anyone voting this election is voting because of the ISSUES and NOT because of someone's skin color!! On the inside, we all look the same!

 

[ScottyG]

I have a question about Obama, as no one has answered this for me. I am NOT trying to start an argument, I really want an honest answer.

There was question about where he was born. I heard it rumored, and I will say rumored because I didn't see proof, that he produced a fake Hawaiin birth certificate, and that they were demanding Obama prove he was born on US Soil. I heard that if he can't prove it, he can't be President? Does anyone know if this was resovled?

This was never actually an issue in the larger scheme of things, just an issue brought up by some weblogs and email chain letters, but not actually in the political process. Nobody ever demanded to see a birth certificate of Obama's; his birth certificate is as much in the public record as yours or mine. He was born in Hawaii.

I don't know which websites you trust, but I tend to go with snopes.com as an excellent source of "internet myth debunking." Here's their article on it:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Here's a longer Newsweek article debunking the myth of the fake birth certificate:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599

And here, as corroborating evidence, is an image gathered by an anti-Obama blog, of the birth announcement printed in the Honolulu newspaper when he was born. The blog in question has some fairly incendiary things to say about Obama, but admits that this is solid evidence he was born in Hawaii.

http://texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/close-up.jpg

Hope that helps, and thanks for keeping the pleasant tone of all this up!