vaccinations---pros and cons

[Woodland Woman]

My oldest dd had whooping cough at 4 months of age. I got a slight case at the time. We got it from our neighbors and friends who were from Mexico. This was many years ago and all I remember is that they gave her medicine and she recovered quickly. She never had a bad case, just a strange cough. Now there are more vaccinations and with my younger children I eventually quit giving them vaccines. I felt they were not as healthy for having had the vaccines they did. Mine never had the hepatitis or the new one for teenage girls. A niece had that vaccine and she became paralyzed and had to have a breathing tube put in. She was in the hospital for weeks and almost died and never fully recovered although she can walk now. Missouri does allow you to opt out with a religious exemption.

 

[Wildsky]

"Bordetella pertussis, was not identified until 1906. In the prevaccination era (during the 1920s and 30s), there were over 250,000 cases of whooping cough per year in the U.S., with up to 9,000 deaths. In the 1940s, the pertussis vaccine, combined with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids (DTP), was introduced. By 1976, the incidence of whooping cough in the U.S. had decreased by over 99%.

During the 1980s, however, the incidence of whooping cough began to increase and has risen steadily, with epidemics typically occurring every three to five years in the U.S. In the last epidemic, which occurred in 2005, 25,616 cases were reported according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). In 2008, over 13,000 cases of whooping cough were reported in the U.S., resulting in 18 deaths.

In 2010, a pertussis epidemic was declared in California. The California Department of Public Health warned in June 2010 that the state was on pace to suffer the most illnesses and deaths due to whooping cough in the past 50 years. In the previous epidemic of 2005, California recorded 3,182 cases and eight deaths.

Unimmunized or incompletely immunized young infants are particularly vulnerable to the infection and its complications, which can include pneumonia and seizures."

Evidence indicates that more people not vaccinating is responsible for these numbers.

From 1900 to 1935 BEFORE the pertussis vaccine was introduced, the death rate from pertussis in the united states and england had already declined on its own by 79% and 82% respectively (International mortality Statistics (1981) by Michael Alderson)

A study by the Journal of Pediatrics indicates that the pertussis vaccine may be only 40-45% effective. Evidence indicated immunity is not sustained.
In 1986, 1300 cases of pertussis were reported in Kansas, of the patients with known vaccination status 90% were adequately vaccinated! (vaccine bulletin, feb 1987 page 11)
In 1993 an outbreak in Ohio, 82% were vaccinated. (New England Journal of med. July 7, 1994 page 16-20)

Side effects (possible) of the vaccine:
Fever as high as 106
pain, swelling diarrhea, projectile vomiting excessive sleepiness, high pitched screaming, (as in encephalitic screaming) seizures, convulsions, collapse, shock, breathing problems, brain damage, SIDS, epilepsy
Studies show 1 out of every 200 children who recieve the shot suffered sever reactions. (Pediatrics, volume 68 No5 November 1981)

In 1994 the journal of american medical association published data showing that children diagnosed with asthma were five times more likely than not to have received the pertussis vaccine. A study in 2000 confirmed earlier findings, children were more likely to develop a "history of asthma" or other allergy related resp. symptom than those who remain unvaccinated.

 

[Wildsky]

It is better to get childhood illnesses during childhood and be done with it.

As someone who has had measles and mumps.... GIVE YOUR KID THE VACCINE!!!!

As someone who had the vaccine and still got the disease. Don't!

 

[Wildsky]

Ever heard of Haemophilus influenzae serotype b infection? usually called HIB disease. Nasty infection that came on so fast with a high fever that it would fry baby brains before they got in for treatment used to average 10,000 deaths/year with another 50,000 suffering Retardation or deafness caused by the high fever. It was a bacteria that could be controlled by antibiotics if treated early. You mothers know the drill, baby is fussy and falls off to sleep. wakes screaming with a fever and you try to get in to see a doctor or go to the ER. If they run tests before the antibiotic, baby is doomed it was just that fast moving in infants. Now there are usually about 10 cases a year, most of them fatal as docs won't shoot antibiotics without knowing what they are shooting at and most docs have never seen a case.
poliomyelitis- We have all heard about the Salk (Injected) vaccine but it was the Sabin (oral) vaccine that really cleared it out of the USA and now most of the world.
Greatly reduced would be diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus.
measles, mumps, rubella, influenza and pneumococcal pneumonia, the last one I worked on before I retired.~gd

During the 70's and 80's there were an estimated 16000-20000 Hib infections per year. (National institute of health)
around 25% of cases cause hearing loss, neurological problems or pneumonia. Inflamation of the throat accounted for nearly 15% of cases. The mortality rate was about 4% (Pediatric journal of infectious disease, 1987 page 775-778)
Hib infections occurred at a much lower rate during the 40's and 50s In fact Hib rates jumped 400% between 1946 and 1986 a period coinciding with mass use of the DPT vaccine.
Rates Tumbled beginning in the 90's with just 329 cases of Hib in american children under 5 years old. in 1994, 259 cases and in 1996 and 1997 144 cases combined.
60% of cases occur in children less than 12 months of age, 90 % children under 5 years old.
Children are at risk of contracting Hib following their vaccination, doctors have been warned by the CDC that cases may occur, after vaccintion prior to protection from the shot. Studies warn of Increased susceptibility to the disease during the first 7 days following the vaccination.
Several studies have found Hib vaccinated children are 6 times more likely to contract Hib after vaccination, than unvaccinated children.
One study showed 70% of those who contracted Hib after being vaccinated, developed Meningitis.
Additional research has confirmed Hib vaccination, even with the newer conjugated vaccine, placing the child at greater risk for invasive disease.

Hib vaccine has been linked to serious ailments including: Guillain Barre syndrom, transverse myelitis, aseptic meningitis, invasice pneumococcal disease, thrombocytopenia, fever, rash, hives, vomiting, diarrhea, seizures, convulsions and SIDS.
The Hib vaccine may also be linked to the new epidemics of diabetes - sharp increases of insulin dependent diabetes mellitus have been recorded in the USA and England, following mass vaccination, with Hib. In a landmark study Finnish children were split into three groups.
The first group recieved no Hib vaccine, The second group received one dose of Hib. The third group received four doses of Hib (at 3, 4 6, and 18 months) At ages seven and ten the total number of cases of type 1 diabetes in all three groups was tallied.
Results: At age 7, there were 54 more cases per 100,000 children in the group that recieved 4 doses of the Hib vaccine, compared to the group that recieved none. a 26% increase. At age 10, there were 58 more cases per 100,000 children in the group that recieved four doses of Hub compared to the group that recieved None.
Based on an annual birth rate of 4 million children, in the US alone, this translates to 2300 additional cases of diabetes every year!
By contrast, the Hib vaccine is expected to prevent a much smaller number of severe disabilities.
Furthermore, the increased risk of diabetes in the vaccinated group, exceeds the expected decrease risk of complications of Hib Meningitis.
Thus the experts issued a warning to the public that in their estimation the potential risk of the vaccine exceeds the potential benifit. (British Medical Journal 1999 page 319 and 1133)

 

[Wildsky]

Greatly reduced would be diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus.
.~gd

Please refer to my above post on Pertussis decrease before the vaccine was introduced. (post #42)

Tetanus toxoid vaccine was introduced in 1933.
During the 1800, there were 205 cases of tetanus per 100,000 US military personnel, by the early 1900 this had declined to 16 cases per 100,000.
A 92% reduction.
During the 1940's the cases dropped further, to .44 cases per 100,000 wounds, Some researchers attributed this decline to an increased attention to wound hygiene.
In the 1990's an average of 47 cases a year are reported in the USA. An average of 7 people die.
In Australia, in the 90s ' they averaged about 10 cases a year, with about 1 person per year dying.

(i won't go into all the reactions to the vaccine itself or the effectiveness of it.)

Diphtheria vaccine was introduced during the 1940's.
The death rate from Diphtheria plummeted long before the vaccine was introduced, in the US from 1900-1930, diphtheria fatalities declined more than 85% (International Mortality Stats, Washington DC facts on file 1981 page 177-178)

(I won't go into all the details on that vaccine or disease either, just pointing out the decline had nothing to do with the introduction of the vaccine)

Polio.
From 1923 to 1953, before the Salk vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate had declined on its own by 47% (usa) and 55% (england) (International Mortality stats, - 1981, by Michael Alderson.)

The definition of polio was changed in 1955.
In July 1955 before the change in definition, there were 273 cases of polio reported, and 50 cases of aseptic meningitis.
In July 1961, after the definition change there were 65 cases of polio and 161 cases of aseptic meningitis.
(morbidity and Mortality, reportable diseases, the los angeles county health index)

The process of redifining the disease supports the official immunization goals, despite questionable ethics. (it was a common tactic used with smallpox as well)

during a period of less than 5 years, the oral polio vaccine had 13641 adverse events following it. 6364 emergency visits, 540 deaths.

 

[xpc]

As I said back in post #11 of this thread:

I tend to stay out of any vaccination topics as it is looked upon by some in an ungodly religious fervor...

It seems that the topic of vaccinations should be added to the politics & religion ban.

 

[lorihadams]

yikes....I didn't want to start anything.....I still love you all! I think we should probably lock this thread before we start a fight.....thanks for all the info guys!

 

[Wildsky]

There is no arguing going on, I generally feel the need to post the facts when folks pass along hearsay, propaganda or exaggerate the facts.

I know some folk feel different about vaccines, and thats fine, I want people to know that there is a lot more to know out there than just what the doctor or school tells you.

 

[reinbeau]

Closed per OP's request.