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valmom, these are my opinions, and maybe someone else will jump in here.

An agressive hive is sometimes an indication that your colony is not queenright.

You have a lot of burr comb on the sides, tops and bottoms of the frames. This should be removed on all the frames in the hive. All the honeycomb cells should be on the foundation, not any of the woodenware.


1st pic... looks like a queen supercedure cell in the middle of the frame. A supercedure cell (looks like a small peanut) is an indication that your queen is dead or not putting out enough pheronome. So the colony is replacing her.

Also 1st pic... down on the bottom, those look like queen swarm cells to me, not drone. Peanut-shaped are queen. Drone cells look like worker cells but are deeper/larger to cover the larger larvae of the drone.

3rd pic... I can see brood, drone brood wouldn't be in the center of the frame if your colony is queenright.

last frame....looks like honey to me too


I talked about your colony at our beek association meeting today. You can save this hive, but quick action is required so that the colony can have a chance at overwintering successfully.

With only 6 frames in the bottom hive body filled and only 3 to 4 frames in the top hive body filled it is too soon to put queen excluder and honey supers on this hive. You need to concentrate on getting colony healthy and growing first. More than likely, you will not get any honey this year from this colony.

This procedure comes from Earl in our beek association, who has been beeking for 66 years. I have not had to do this myself, so I can only pass along Earl's recommendations.

First you need a beek friend with a strong hive ...

Make the bees a 4 cups sugar:1 gallon water syrup mixture. Add a Tablespoon of food grade wintergreen or spearmint oil or Honey-B-Healthy mixture. Let it cool to room temperature before using.

Get 3 to 4 frames of uncapped and capped brood and 1 frame full of capped honey from your beek friend. Take 3 to 4 frames out of your hive just to the right or left of center. Spray the frames from beek friend heavily with the pre-made and cooled sugar syrup. Put them next to the center frame in your hive body. Take out 1 more of your frames and replace it with honey frame from beek friend.

Spraying both sides of each of the frames from friend just before inserting into your hive body will keep the bees interested in cleaning themselves and eating the syrup and will help prevent any clash between any bees still on friend's frames and your frames.

Once the bees are in your hive body, the workers will feed royal jelly to one or two of the uncapped cells. A queen bee only eats the royal jelly; this is how a queen is produced for your colony.

Set up a feeder (Earl uses a Miller Feeder, which sits on top of the hive and looks like a shallow honey super from the front of the hive after the hive is closed up). He hasn't used baggie feeders and refuses to use Boardman feeders at all (the mason jar that sits at the entrance of the hive).

Feed the rest of the pre-made and cooled sugar syrup to the bees. Keep feeding.

Check the hive 1 week after addition of frames. See if there is any improvement in hive strength and numbers. See if you can find evidence of queen cell on new frames. Keep feeding.

Check the hive at 2nd week after addition of frames and you should see marked improvement. Keep feeding the heavy syrup. Earl says a pollen patty would provide protein for the bees incase you are in a dearth and no pollen/nectar is available locally for the bees.

My mid-September here in NE OH, we have golden rod and aster in bloom that the bees will work. Check in your area for dates. Earl suggests that once the lower and top hive bodies show growth and the frames of both hive bodies have 7 to 8 frames full, then you can add queen excluder and medium super. But at the minimum this super will be needed by the bees in the winter. It would be better to have at least another medium super filled with honey since this colony experienced slow start.



Good luck and please keep us posted.
 

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Thank you so much! That helps a lot.
Where do you see brood in the third picture? I don't know what I am looking at, obviously. And, I am a klutz with the hive tool- I am afraid to trim off the excess comb where it shouldn't be! I am really afraid I am going to drop the frame while I am working on it.
I wasn't going to harvest honey this year anyway- I wanted to let them have it to get through the winter. What your beek friend is suggesting is like getting a new nuc? So that I have brood coming up and they can feed one into a queen?
 

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valmom said:
What your beek friend is suggesting is like getting a new nuc? So that I have brood coming up and they can feed one into a queen?
Yes, like a nuc. Except Earl said his experience (as queen breeder) shows that this time of year a nuc is going to cost you plenty. So a beek friend with a number of strong hives would probably be your best bet. Give them the frames you remove from your hive and their colony will have them built up in no time with little or no impact on their colony's health or strength.

You need uncapped brood and capped brood. Earl said if your beek friend has bees on the frames you're given, that would be ideal. Don't forget to use the sugar syrup spray, in either case. The workers in the hive will chose one or two of the younger uncapped brood to feed the royal jelly to, which will then become queens. You need the capped brood so that you can add some workers to that colony of yours so that it doesn't die out.

Hope that helps.

p.s. Be brave with that scraper/hive tool! :lol: The bees will build the burr comb back, just keep removing it. If you are interested in melting beeswax for candles/crafts, save it in a zip bag or canning jar and freeze after collecting it each time you are in the hive. After a while, you will have enough to actually do something with it. :)

Those are some gloves you have! Are they washable? I alternated between no gloves and JELLY brand garden gloves, which are washable. When a bee stings you, they leave some pheronome on the area they leave the stinger. If they sting you through the gloves, eventually the sting pheronome will permeate the glove material. Which, in turn, will or may attract other honeybees to that same area.

I got the JELLY gloves and STING STOP at a local discount drug store. The STING STOP has cardboard packaging and hangs on a wall display. Several of the beek supply catalogues sell something similar.

This is a pic of my son holding a tube of STING STOP, at least it would give you an idea of what it looks like. There were, idk, 5 to 6 capsules on a pkg. As you might be able to tell, he had crushed the glass tube and the cotton applicator is covered in the green STING STOP solution. It was nice of him to drive up from Austin to share my beek hobby with me for a while. However, he did not appreciate the girls' reception gift.

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LOL- at least he was brave! My SO won't get near the hive, and lately I don't want her to since the girls are so angry. Those are the leather gloves that came with the "starter kit"- I have never worn them before, I always just wore those grippy gardening gloves, or if feeding, just my bare hands. but they stung me through the gloves- they are aggressive lately. So, I dragged out the heavy duty ones- I guess they make them for a reason!

I am waiting to hear back from the beek I got the original nuc from- he is in and out (70 hives a bit spread out to different places). He may be able to do something. How would I transport the frames? When I picked up the nuc I took the whole deep with the bottom board and screened entrance and top cover. I can't do that now, there are too many bees in it!
 

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valmom said:
LOL- at least he was brave! My SO won't get near the hive, and lately I don't want her to since the girls are so angry. Those are the leather gloves that came with the "starter kit"- I have never worn them before, I always just wore those grippy gardening gloves, or if feeding, just my bare hands. but they stung me through the gloves- they are aggressive lately. So, I dragged out the heavy duty ones- I guess they make them for a reason!

I am waiting to hear back from the beek I got the original nuc from- he is in and out (70 hives a bit spread out to different places). He may be able to do something. How would I transport the frames? When I picked up the nuc I took the whole deep with the bottom board and screened entrance and top cover. I can't do that now, there are too many bees in it!
Most of the beeks I know that have that many hives have extra equipment sitting around just waiting to be needed. :lol:

You can borrow a hive body. If he doesn't have a spare bottom board or top cover, duct tape window screening over the bottom of the hive body, place the frames he gives you in the hive body and duct tape window screening over the top. This will provide ventilation, but the holes aren't large enough for the bees to fly out. Make sure if there is a hole drilled in the hive body (as an extra entrance or for ventilation, that it is covered with window screening or duct tape as well for the trip to your place.

Then your beek friend can take his equipment back with him when he leaves.

Good luck and keep us posted, please. :D
 

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OK, finally pinned down my bee guy! I went over yesterday to pick up a new queen- he isn't the most organized person in the world. There were also 3 people there to pick up nucs and he decided while help was there, he would dismantle and check his queen breeding hives. It took hours to pick up! But, I got home and have orders to leave her cage corked when I put her in for a week (! will she be OK for a whole week? When I got the nuc the candy plug was uncovered and she was out in 3 days) and to keep cutting out any queen cells I see being made. I have to say, the minute I put the cage down the sheer volume of the buzzing dropped by 80%. I put the cage on the top of the frames so I could watch if they were trying to sting her or seemed "happy" to see her. They seemed overjoyed! No stings, no butts towards the queen- just heads and tongues. Very odd to watch- it was like they were tasting her. I really hope they feed her through the cage- a week seems an awfully long time. And in the mean time I will go in every couple of days and cut out any queen cells they are making. I can't wait to let her out!
 

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valmom, glad to hear you got a new queen. Our queen was released with 3 days... I know this because we checked after 3 days.. The workers won't take long to release her majesty..... it is vital to the health of the colony. They will feed her while she is in the queen cage.
 

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I hope that fixes your issues, they sound like they are happier with the new queen. I'm still trying to figure out what is going on with my weak hive but they haven't made any queen cells that I can see and they have moved up into the upper deep I put on. I don't know what I'm gonna do but we shall see what happens. I'm glad you have a "bee guy" that could help you out! Can't wait to see pics of your new girl in action!
 

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OK, a political rant- please don't read any further!! I just can't figure out were to put this to get it off my chest.
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Norway. Seriously? A traditionally peaceable scandanavian country with no history of violence, and a right wing white supremacist fanatic feels it is justifiable to shoot the children of liberals at a summer camp to highlight his grievances against his home country. I can't help but generalize to our country- which, after all is what I know best since this is were I live. Now that the genie is out of the lamp, I could picture someone in this country feeling that they would be justified in doing the same thing here- a traditionally war-loving, gun-toting wild west, take-the-law-into-your-own-hands country. It makes me sad. It makes me afraid of my fellow citizens. And I just can't envision the opposite happening- a wild-eyed liberal, taking up a rifle and shooting the children of conservatives at a Christian summer camp while pretending to be a policeman there to help. It just wouldn't happen, even in this violent country. What does that make us liberals? Suckers?

I am so depressed right now, I don't even have words for it.
 

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It would be interesting to know if people with liberal politics have ever committed a massacre such as this one. It makes me frustrated when convervatives (my DH included) fight against any form of gun control.
 
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