Disaster Scenario

[FarmerChick]

no you aren't off base 2dream

It is one of those hard core decision questions and to understand people's logic on why they choose X person to survive. And it is one of those questions to see if we could handle it, reflect on it and maybe change our answers or to be more in tune with ourselves.

Disaster scenarios are usually never pretty ya know. It makes us know more about ourselves.


Like earthquake, 4 people hanging off the edge of a cliff, they all fell when the earth shook. You can save 1 and pull them up before they fall.

1 is a young man, 1 older man, 1 young woman, 1 older woman.

Who do you grab? Is it based on your strength? Is it based on your idea that a woman should survive before a man? A young woman has the right to live a longer life cause the older woman already had a life?
Etc Etc


Life and death scenarios of this magnitude probably won't happen to any of us....but there is no harm in trying to figure out what one may due if ever faced with it.


And we say we would do X....but when it is all in front of our faces, would we change?

I find it very interesting.

No judgements cause we all would do what we would do. There to me isn't a right or wrong answer in a way....just discussion about who you save and why is a good idea of how people react in our society today also.

 

[okiegirl1]

I really hate to say this as it is a HUGE character flaw.

I probably would just panic and run in circles pulling my hair. I find I depend alot on others to make tough decisions. I'm the one the others term as "sheeples". The only exception to this is when my daughter was first dx with cancer. what I termed "mom mod" kicked on and I didn't cry or freak. I turned totally business and made treatment decisions and plans. But I think that happens when you're (I'm) invested in the person.

In this senerio, I'm not invested, so I think I would be no help at all. I'd probably look for someone else to help me.

 

[FarmerChick]

These disaster scenarios are hard cause it forces you to choose among people. Life and death. It makes people "low" ya know...to a level of this one lives, this one dies and it could be ME laying there also.

 

[SKR8PN]

18 year old drug addict
65 yo doctor with heart disease
5 yo girl beautiful and otherwise healthy
30 yo prisoner (white collar)
26 yo obese housewife (4 kids)
40 yo police officer (father, husband)


You all make some very good points.......

I based my earlier reply on this being a decision that had to be made quickly.
I chose the 5 yo and the cop because:
The drug addict is ALWAYS going to be an addict to something, it will just change to whatever is available. He will be a long term liability.
The Dr.? Use him for what you can get out of him short term but don't expend a lot of energy on him. He is a short timer as well.
The prisoner? Depends on what his crime was. Most white collar crime is a theft of some sort. If so, that makes him a liability. Do you want to trust a thief in a survival situation?
The housewife? That is a lot of mouths to worry about feeding in a SHTF situation...........remember we can only save two....
The cop is trained to survive and to help others. He is more than likely in good shape and strong. He gets my vote.
The 5 yo? She is only going to be a very short term liability. She is small so she can get into places a grown up may not be able to. If push came to shove, she could even be carried. That could be very valuable if time is of the essence. She is trainable, so she has vast possibilities for future surveillance, food gathering and any other assistance that may be required to survive. Kids have a great memory so she could remember something that an adult may not. That could be of great value. She won't require much in the way of food or medical maintenance so that would help preserve supplies. I think she would be more valuable long term than any of the rest. Just my $.05 worth.

 

[Blackbird]

OK then.. So we know who WON'T be in the triage.. LOL Ldychef will be in her bunker if anyone needs her.

I see what you were trying to do there Farmerchick, just to see all the different trains of thought at who would pick what and why - instead of trying to be so serious about it.

I guess in my train of thought I probably wouldn't consider the scenario and who would be 'most helpful' or 'best' in the future, its save whoever you know/care about first, then the youngest, then the women, then the men, in that order.

 

[FarmerChick]

well it is serious to each individual because it is our personal thoughts that will save or not treat people.

Some might say children, women, men...in that order

Some might be younger people regardless of their past actions

Some might say save all professionals that can help the situation further down the road

some say save kids, they are the future---save a younger women cause she can bare kids, vs an older woman who can't.



So many ways to look at the value of people. And that value in our minds is what says--live or die---if the situation happens.


Plus if crazy insane situations happen, at least we kinda thought about them...you just never know. Most would never be in a life and death decision hopefully....

 

[old fashioned]

All of us being SS types know that if the "big one comes" and you had to make hard decisions, could you do it?

We talk a hard game about stocking toilet paper, but if times warrant, can you be hard, very hard?

Here is a scenario.....what would you do?

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This is an awful scenario but one I thought would be interesting to discuss:

Let's say that we have a TSHTF situation and you have enough medical supplies and equipment for two people at the community triage unit you are assigned to...the following all enter at the same time. Who dies and who lives and why?

18 year old drug addict
65 yo doctor with heart disease
5 yo girl beautiful and otherwise healthy
30 yo prisoner (white collar)
26 yo obese housewife (4 kids)
40 yo police officer (father, husband)

I just don't think you've included enough information here to make those kind of decisions. I'd want to know what kind of s*** hit what kind of fan? Nucular bomb, the fallout, anarchy after the fact, meteor, chemical warfare, etc.? And what if anything is wrong with each person? Injuries? Illness? If so, what type? And on, and on....
If each person had life threatening injuries, I would like to think I'd try to assess the full extent of injury to determine if they would be fixable. Although if it were chemical or some type of inhaled gas, there wouldn't be anything I could do. My medical training only consists of basic first aid, CPR and life itself which isn't enough to make any major decisions. What if they are bleeding internally? Especially with a head wound? I'm NOT about to cut anyone open to find out.
Either/or, I wouldn't pick and choose (unless someone was definately beyond repair-then give them morphine to ease suffering) or judge on outward appearances, but do what I could for all of them. Even without enough medical supplies-some water, whiskey, cloth or clean moss, needle & thread or even duct tape can do wonders. I say work with what ya got and make it work for ya.
Now if there are 4 people hanging on a cliff and only me to save them. I'd be looking for ropes and something to anchor it too. With or without the props I'd start with the smallest, easiest to save based on my strength. Then one saved can help me with the next one, who can then help with the next one.
Atleast this is how I'd like to think I'd react, but in all truth nobody really knows how they'd react until actually faced with it. Who knows, maybe Ldy and Okie will be the heroines and the rest of us are running scared.

 

[FarmerChick]

oh it wasn't said in writing,,,,but all of the triage patients have the exact same medical problem. (I forgot to type that)

sucking chest wound that needs treatment to survive but only enough medical supplies to treat 2 people. With treatment you can do, 2 live---the others must perish.

sorry I left that out..LOL--wow



It basically is a----all patients are the same except the actual person. All medical the same. All came in the triage at the same time.

No this isn't real life but it is an exercise to see how you would maybe play the cards to save a life above another life.

 

[dacjohns]

oh it wasn't said in writing,,,,but all of the triage patients have the exact same medical problem. (I forgot to type that)

sucking chest wound that needs treatment to survive but only enough medical supplies to treat 2 people. With treatment you can do, 2 live---the others must perish.

sorry I left that out..LOL--wow



It basically is a----all patients are the same except the actual person. All medical the same. All came in the triage at the same time.

No this isn't real life but it is an exercise to see how you would maybe play the cards to save a life above another life.

Now you really messed things up.

Slap a potato chip bag or something else on a sucking chest wound. Army training coming out.

 

[FarmerChick]

I know....it cuts back on "who might make it and who wouldn't and potatoe chips were all destroyed in the disaster...only got Doritos..will it work still?

LOL



the scenario is everyone is equal in their injury
everyone comes in at the same time to triage
everyone is the same all needing the 2 medical supplies to save them
rest die
who to choose

all is equal except who they are or how they are preceived



but hey I might even think about taking both supplies at that point and going home. if only 2 supplies are left, I might need them. I might take the Doritos also. haha