Experts Recommend Delaying Breastfeeding Until Vaccinations...

[Icu4dzs]

At the risk of getting hit with a 2 x 4, the following is submitted:

Does it not bother anyone on this thread that the title IS FACTUALLY INACCURATE?

According to the greenmedinfo abstract, at least, the paper (ONE paper, not "the experts" en masse) did NOT "recommend delaying breastfeeding until vaccinations occur".

Go to http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article...ding-should-be-delayed-order-prevent-immune-f

And actually read, with brain as well as eyes, the last sentence of the abstract.

It says "Strategies to overcome this negative effect, such as delaying breast-feeding at the time of immunization, should be evaluated."

SHOULD BE EVALUATED, guys. Evaluated means studied further because the answer is not known. And "such as" means "but not limited to".

(Obviously if you want to believe everything is a massive conspiracy and nobody says what they mean and it's all doubletalk, then fine... but then what the heck does a journal paper or anything else empirical mean ANYhow?)

Pat

Woah, there ladies...Patandchickens has made a very accurate and clear statement. She is telling you that the opinion of the author of that article "thinks" something should be studied and did NOT advocate immediate or even remote adoption of such a tactic.

It goes without saying that there is absolutely NO better food for the baby than the mother's milk; regardless of species...to each his own. In the words of one of my favorite pediatrics professors, "cows milk is for baby cows". Simply put, that is right. Many of the allergy problems (NOTICE I did not say "all") are related to foreign proteins (i.e. foreign to humans) and are the ones found in cows milk. This is NOT to diss cows milk, but to put it into it's proper perspective.

For that matter, some countries still employ "wet-nurses" for that very reason. While this isn't as "popular" here in the USA, it is still a viable means of proper nutrition for the human baby.

The truth is that a baby will, if placed on the mother's abdomen (immediately after birth) will seek and find the mother's breast without any assistance from either the mother or any attendant. If that process is allowed unimpeded, the results are significantly better that waiting till after the nursing staff has taken the baby and done all of their "required duties" such as weighing, cleaning, immunization, etc.

So as Pat tells you, please don't become confused by the advice of one person. I'd be willing to go to the track with a paper bag filled with money that the majority of the health care professionals in the world will recommend breast over bottle.

 

[glenolam]

Ummm....what's the discussion about again? I'm lost....

 

[moolie]

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The truth is that a baby will, if placed on the mother's abdomen (immediately after birth) will seek and find the mother's breast without any assistance from either the mother or any attendant. If that process is allowed unimpeded, the results are significantly better that waiting till after the nursing staff has taken the baby and done all of their "required duties" such as weighing, cleaning, immunization, etc.

Actually, she won't. Tried if twice. Newborns have just been through trauma and generally fall asleep soon after birth.

First baby remained awake/alert for some time gazing at me, then fell asleep. Then was checked over, eye-dropped, weighed/measured etc. while totally asleep. She was with me 24/7 for the 3 days/nights I was in hospital and she had absolutely no desire to feed for days, and lost weight. She NEVER learned to latch, either onto breast or bottle. Had reflux issues and spat up more than she ingested. But was generally happy otherwise (no colic) other than the fact that she rarely slept compared to most newborns. She preferred to be held upright and look at someone. But never cared about eating until she was a year and a half old.

Second baby fell asleep right away. They left her there for a long while, but then again checked her over, put in the eye-drops, weighed and measured etc. while totally asleep. They found that her temperature was several degrees below normal so brought in a table with a heat lamp and laid her bare on warm towels under the heat lamp with a cute pair of eye covers/sunglasses on. After about half an hour they decided that her temp was just lower than normal and advised us to be wary of any fevers since normal for her was so much lower. Again, she was with me 24/7 for 3 days/nights in hospital. I asked for help this time with breast feeding as my first time had gone so badly and I was given lots of advice. Second baby learned to suckle over the next week and became such a pro by the age of 2 weeks she could drain both boobs in less than 10 minutes. She slept 20 hours a day until nearly 4 months old but during that entire time HAD to be woken to feed. She then began to act more like a typical baby her age.

 

[Holachicka]

I think correcting a misconception or inaccuracy without trying to make the original poster look like an idiot is a virtue...

That being said, I'd like to bring up a VERY common misconception about breastfeeding. Before I had children, I thought it would be super simple, easy peasy... Then I had my firts child! OUCH!! I was lucky that the My sons doc was also a lactation consultant because she really helped! Just a simple change of position!

There, how do you guys like that? I put in my two cents without pointing my finger at anyone or trying to make OFG (sorry!) look bad for a misconception. C'mon guys, no reason to get so angry!

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

Ummm....what's the discussion about again? I'm lost....

boobs. its a hot topic.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

OFG (sorry!) look bad for a misconception.

who me? i do a fine job of makin' myself look bad!

but thanks, Holachicka, for the no finger pointing! yay!

 

[moolie]

I think correcting a misconception or inaccuracy without trying to make the original poster look like an idiot is a virtue...

That being said, I'd like to bring up a VERY common misconception about breastfeeding. Before I had children, I thought it would be super simple, easy peasy... Then I had my firts child! OUCH!! I was lucky that the My sons doc was also a lactation consultant because she really helped! Just a simple change of position!

There, how do you guys like that? I put in my two cents without pointing my finger at anyone or trying to make OFG (sorry!) look bad for a misconception. C'mon guys, no reason to get so angry!

Um, how did I make her look bad? I simply stated some facts that run counter to her position as stated.

which reminds me.. one of my fancy city friends had a baby and ran right out and paid high dollar for a "lactation consultant"... we here on the farm laughed a lot about that. i mean, i dont know much abut dontcha just affix that little one on the business end and away you go?

No, you don't.

If you have a child who never learns to latch, if you have mastitis, inverted nipples, thrush/yeast infection, poor letdown, lack of milk... you don't.

Sometimes you need help.

And if your mother raised you on formula because that was what was done for 2 generations, sometimes you need to ask an expert.

OFG, I do apologize if my words didn't come out right.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

no problem, moolie, no offense taken.. a bad attempt to lighten the mood.

i am, however, calling myself the goat's lactation consultant. i think i'm gonna get it put on a business card.

 

[glenolam]

Ummm....what's the discussion about again? I'm lost....

boobs. its a hot topic.

Well, then, have I got a pair for you!

Is that on topic?

 

[patandchickens]

The truth is that a baby will, if placed on the mother's abdomen (immediately after birth) will seek and find the mother's breast without any assistance from either the mother or any attendant.

Actually, she won't. Tried if twice. Newborns have just been through trauma and generally fall asleep soon after birth.

Not always. (Just like 'ease of breastfeeding') But certainly sometimes, and according to my midwives, often...

My second son, born at home, was immediate placed (after a few wee puffs of O2 as he was a funny color to start with) on my tummy and lower chest, and darned if he didn't do exactly as the midwives said he would, and start squirming and pushing his way up til he found the lunch spout and snorked onto it. I thought that was just about the most TOTALLY cool thing in the world (Still do, really)

(Tho despite that, he was pretty miserable for a long time at getting a correct latch. Can't tell you how much midwife help I required, and how many times I had to take that kid off and let him try again. His older brother OTOH was a natural at that part.)

Even in animals, it varies. I just had two lambs born this week; the first one figured out her feeding arrangements quickly on her own, but the second -- of a more stereotypically selfsufficient need-no-help breed -- was just outstandingly stupid on the subject. The ewe was doing a great job of trying to SHOW her where to feed, and when I eventually stepped into the pen to help I'll swear that ewe was glad of it (and she is normally very anti-people, a true conspiracy theorist among sheep!), but it still took many false starts before that stupid lamb could reliably find the teat on her own. (She is fine now)

It is pretty amazing what instincts are built into mammalian babies.

But they sure don't all come out of the factory equally plug-and-play

And it sure doesn't help that in our culture breastfeeding is still usually done so secretively that people don't get "osmotic knowledge" about it, the way you do about say driving a car or flirting with boys.

Pat