How do a person's political views relate to self sufficiency?

[papas34]

Political influence on a person's desire to be self sufficient--very small.
Political influence on a person's ability to be self sufficient--larger.[/

This maybe the most important post yet!!!
I've been reading all the posts and as of now, nobody has mentioned LIBERTY....with it we can choose the live we wish, without it we will be forced to live the live the government forces us to live!!!!
Millions have given their all for us to be free to choose (as long as our choice does not effect others).
Today many are willing to p-ss it away without any understanding of what LIBERTY is.
Every time we give or let government take from us we loose liberty, it could be money/taxes or it could be freedom/laws.
Obama has done much more than many may know about....shadow government that is stealing from us all by taking away the powers of congress; our best shot at representation( I know they suck).
Executive orders..... here is on for us SS folk...did you know it is a federal offense to eat food you raise, or how about transporting a tomato over the fence to your neighbor, it's a federal offense to trade Heirloom seeds........still want more government in your life???
As government grows it tends to become oppressive in order to keep the little people in line....our choice of SS is a choice of independence...a big government needs us to be dependant....I can't understand how any SS minded person could not see the connection between politics and SS lifestyle!!!

 

[Big Daddy]

[Obama has done much more than many may know about....shadow government that is stealing from us all by taking away the powers of congress; our best shot at representation( I know they suck).]

So your saying that there is a 2nd government within our government that is taking away powers from congress? So Congress is signing laws in to effect to limit their own powers? I can't disagree with anything else you say. As usual it is rhetoric that sounds like it is aimed at the current administration. However all these laws you are talking about have been around a long time. I would like to know what laws Congress is passing to form a shadow government and limit their own powers. I'm sorry to tell you this but there is very little Obama can do without Congressional approval.

 

[sylvie]

Political influence on a person's desire to be self sufficient--very small.
Political influence on a person's ability to be self sufficient--larger.[/

This maybe the most important post yet!!!
I've been reading all the posts and as of now, nobody has mentioned LIBERTY....with it we can choose the live we wish, without it we will be forced to live the live the government forces us to live!!!!
Millions have given their all for us to be free to choose (as long as our choice does not effect others).
Today many are willing to p-ss it away without any understanding of what LIBERTY is.
Every time we give or let government take from us we loose liberty, it could be money/taxes or it could be freedom/laws.
Obama has done much more than many may know about....shadow government that is stealing from us all by taking away the powers of congress; our best shot at representation( I know they suck).
Executive orders..... here is on for us SS folk...did you know it is a federal offense to eat food you raise, or how about transporting a tomato over the fence to your neighbor, it's a federal offense to trade Heirloom seeds........still want more government in your life???
As government grows it tends to become oppressive in order to keep the little people in line....our choice of SS is a choice of independence...a big government needs us to be dependant....I can't understand how any SS minded person could not see the connection between politics and SS lifestyle!!!

Executive orders have been around for a bit, specifically saw a bunch of them in the previous 8 years. Shadow governments had been rumored in that time period, too.

 

[Big Daddy]

[Executive orders have been around for a bit, specifically saw a bunch of them in the previous 8 years. Shadow governments had been rumored in that time period, too.]

Yes, but executive orders are not law.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An executive order in the United States is an order issued by the President, the head of the executive branch of the federal government. Executive orders may also be issued at the state level by a state's Governor or at the local level by the city's Mayor. U.S. Presidents have issued executive orders since 1789, usually to help direct the operation of executive officers. Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, when those acts give the President discretionary powers.

So the President could order the CIA to eavesdrop on citizens to gather information. Or they could do any other number of things in the name of national security. I still don't see how they could usurp the power of Congress though

 

[sylvie]

[Executive orders have been around for a bit, specifically saw a bunch of them in the previous 8 years. Shadow governments had been rumored in that time period, too.]

Yes, but executive orders are not law.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An executive order in the United States is an order issued by the President, the head of the executive branch of the federal government. Executive orders may also be issued at the state level by a state's Governor or at the local level by the city's Mayor. U.S. Presidents have issued executive orders since 1789, usually to help direct the operation of executive officers. Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, when those acts give the President discretionary powers.

So the President could order the CIA to eavesdrop on citizens to gather information. Or they could do any other number of things in the name of national security. I still don't see how they could usurp the power of Congress though

No argument on this from me!

 

[Big Daddy]

[Executive orders have been around for a bit, specifically saw a bunch of them in the previous 8 years. Shadow governments had been rumored in that time period, too.]

Yes, but executive orders are not law.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An executive order in the United States is an order issued by the President, the head of the executive branch of the federal government. Executive orders may also be issued at the state level by a state's Governor or at the local level by the city's Mayor. U.S. Presidents have issued executive orders since 1789, usually to help direct the operation of executive officers. Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, when those acts give the President discretionary powers.

So the President could order the CIA to eavesdrop on citizens to gather information. Or they could do any other number of things in the name of national security. I still don't see how they could usurp the power of Congress though

No argument on this from me!

Good thing. I would have to take your rights away. LOL

 

[bibliophile birds]

The trading practices, particularly the slave trade, had already been going on before the Europeans got there. Really, do you want to nit pick over taking of resources? Every nation, every people has done it. Demonizing the Europeans that went to Africa and took over certain areas is hypocritical when looking at the course of history since it first started being written down.

i wasn't trying to say they were the only people who had ever taken resources. i was simply saying that they arbitrarily appointed themselves the rulers of those lands. like the US did with the Native Americans. do you see them prospering as a people, aside from the small portion that have access to casinos? i'm not demonizing anyone. i'm just stating facts. it's just what happened.

If we had lost the war, do you not think there would have been problems for said Africans, who by that point were Americans since they weren't shipped from Africa? They weren't fighting "for the white man," but they were fighting for themselves too.

i wasn't talking about African Americans. i was talking about Africans. other than the northern portion of Africa, very little of WWII had anything to do with Africa. they weren't threatened by Germany or Japan. Germany and Japan had almost no interest in the majority of Africa. Africans fought because they were a part, a terribly unequal, part of the empires that were threatened.

That's really far fetched about the whole "they couldn't have possibly self governed after all that." The individuals tribes have been self governing for centuries. They've had genocide and war for years too that had nothing to do with the Europeans. Concurring a nation, or continent is not a bad thing, nor should anyone, especially whites, be demonized for it. Also, the people didn't have anything to do with any of that. It was the leaders of countries that are now dead. "Western Greed" is business greed and political greed.

i'm not suggesting that they couldn't possibly self govern. i'm arguing that they were thrown into impossible situations where the way of life that had held them down for so long also did things like run the banks and the hospitals and, most notably, the businesses. for a very long time it was illegal in many parts of Africa for Africans to learn or work in those trades that would allow them to take care of themselves. if you are reliant on a foreign ruler to treat your child's illness, you are unlikely to overthrow them.

people have a direct connection to what governments and businesses do. we elect the government and we buy what the businesses sell. if i buy from a company that uses child laborers in sweat shops, i'm supporting that. it is my fault and my problem. if we all refuse to support organizations that destroy the lives of others, then we end that behavior. just like if we continue to buy foods made by Big Agribusiness we continue to support the destruction of small farms and local communities.

We send aid to all sorts of countries and will never see any progress. I will not feel bad or guilty for apposing foreign aid. You can get mad about it if you want to, but you won't change my mind. We have our own problems we need to deal with before we can help anyone or we will fall.

i'm not mad at you. you are entitled to your opinions. i'm just sharing facts with you. of course, i have an agenda. i work in Africa (and Asia, and South America and Eastern Europe). i directly take that money that the US gives as aid and see what it does for people. i see progress everyday. the problem is that the aid structure has been really messed up, for decades. when you drop food into an area and think that solves a problem you are terribly mistaken. when you educate young people and give them a purpose and a goal, you save the world.

i worked with an organization called the Northern Ugandan Girls Education Network for several years. we used aid money to build schools where girls could get an education for free. many of these girls had lost their families to AIDS and economically driven civil wars, most were raising younger siblings on their own. out of the 200 girls that i met with during one project, 75 of them ended up coming to the US for college. out of those 75, 30 want to be doctors and 40 want to be teachers. they want to go back into their communities and make a difference. they want to pass that hope along. one day, it will be these girls that save their country. by giving smart aid, aid that isn't pointless pandering, we will create a generation of African young people that do not want or need our help. they will become self-sufficient. if they are allowed to.

 

[chipmunk]

Communism is not something we want to happen in America. However, I fear it may come to that soon.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2183968/posts

Does that ring a bell with anyone?

(gulp) OMG Queen Red, that takes my breath away

 

[Big Daddy]

Communism is not something we want to happen in America. However, I fear it may come to that soon.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2183968/posts

Does that ring a bell with anyone?

(gulp) OMG Queen Red, that takes my breath away

I guess it's a possibility when China comes collecting. They are building a heck of a military with all the money we are sending them through Wal Mart.

 

[FarmerChick]