Sufficient Self's Bible Study Group

[BarredBuff]

Muslim as a religion, no. Muslim as a people group, yes. The Muslims are the descendants of Ishmael through flesh which is the key to understanding how that works, or doesn't. Isaac was the child through which the Son of promise(Christ) would come, who carried on in his father s footsteps as far as relationship with God. Muslims believe that Jesus was simply a prophet. BUT, Jesus is the key to salvation. Faith that the Messiah(Jesus Christ) has come and laid down His life for our sins is salvation. If you do not belive in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, how can He take your sins? The muslims, religious group, does not believe Jesus was who He said He was, and until they do, they can not recieve salvation through Him. Unfortunately. There is only one truth. I love all people, and wish all would come to know God. So, just because I believe this way, does not mean I harbor ill feelings toward Muslims, or any other religious group. That is the TRUE Christian belief system. Confusing those two things though, is why we are so often hated and misunderstood

I would also like to add that blood is the only pardon for sins. Jews sacrificed animals and Christians have Jesus who died for us, his blood was shed. His blood covers our sins. Muslims do not sacrifice anything nor do they have a savior.....

This is why I fumble around at this stuff. My mind races ahead of my fingers and I'm not clear now in my own mind where I was going with my question....

It'll come to ya!

 

[Wannabefree]

Muslim as a religion, no. Muslim as a people group, yes. The Muslims are the descendants of Ishmael through flesh which is the key to understanding how that works, or doesn't. Isaac was the child through which the Son of promise(Christ) would come, who carried on in his father s footsteps as far as relationship with God. Muslims believe that Jesus was simply a prophet. BUT, Jesus is the key to salvation. Faith that the Messiah(Jesus Christ) has come and laid down His life for our sins is salvation. If you do not belive in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, how can He take your sins? The muslims, religious group, does not believe Jesus was who He said He was, and until they do, they can not recieve salvation through Him. Unfortunately. There is only one truth. I love all people, and wish all would come to know God. So, just because I believe this way, does not mean I harbor ill feelings toward Muslims, or any other religious group. That is the TRUE Christian belief system. Confusing those two things though, is why we are so often hated and misunderstood

I would also like to add that blood is the only pardon for sins. Jews sacrificed animals and Christians have Jesus who died for us, his blood was shed. His blood covers our sins. Muslims do not sacrifice anything nor do they have a savior.....

This is why I fumble around at this stuff. My mind races ahead of my fingers and I'm not clear now in my own mind where I was going with my question....

Well.....I dunno where you were going with it either buddy!

 

[Beekissed]

Do we have to wait until Sun. to participate in this thread?

 

[Rebbetzin]

So you are basically a Jewish-Christian?

Yes, I am a Jew who believes Jesus/Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel.

Our gatherings/services and daily life are more Orthodox Jewish in practice than traditional Christian.

We have a Synagogue Service. The Church service originally came from the Synagogue Service. There are some differences. But you can easily see the common threads.

REbbetzin, I ask this with the utmost respect, but I am sincerely puzzled by this statement " Can a Jewish Believer in the Messiah come to this Study? How can this be? I was always of the understanding that Jews denied that Jesus was the Son of God and son of man. So, if a Jew believes in Jesus, isn't that contradictory? Are you not like Paul then?

Wow, I should be so lucky as to be compared to Paul!

Yes, I suppose it could be confusing for some to accept a Jew who stays "Jewish" in practice, but believes Jesus/Yeshua is the Messiah.

In the beginning ALL believers in the Messiah were Jewish.
There have always been Jewish believers in the Church. Of course they for the most part no longer were accepted by their family members as Jewish, nor did they continue in a Jewish lifestyle.

Many Jewish believers wanted to reach their Jewish family and friends with the Good News that the Messiah had already come, and redeemed mankind.

But... this was not an easy thing. Most, if not all Jews, when converting to Christianity turned their backs on Judaism. Which meant they would not any longer consider themselves to be "Jewish."

A funny thing happened around 1967, when Jerusalem was again in Jewish hands, many Jewish-Christians in the Church were "led" to question why they were no longer doing what the Holy One had commanded us to do "throughout your generations, forever." They were Jewish, and why should they top being Jewish? Other cultures didn't stop being who they were when accepting the Messiah.

It may surprise you to know that more Jews have accepted Jesus/Yeshua as their Messiah in the past 20 years than have in the last 2000 years.

There are approximately 15,000+"Messianic Jews"living in Israel. And there are now 80 to 100 Messianic Synagogues in Israel. There is persecution of Believers in Israel. But, there is coming a day when They will see Him for who He is...

As it is written:

Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:


The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.


*Isaiah 59:20,21

The Holy One is not finished with the Jewish People. There are a few promises yet to be fulfilled to us.

Okay, first question - so if the Lord has made these promises to Abraham and his descendants, don't Muslims fall under this as well as Jews and Christians?

Ishmael's descendants are also promised a few things in the Scriptures. They are our cousins. Many are believers in the Messiah. In Israel, there are so many stories of "Damascus Road" type experiences for the many "Arab" Believers. (the word "arab" means "mixture". Most of the tribes mentioned in the Bible have intermarried thoughout the many thousands of years. So now the term "Arab" describes the people of the area, who are not Jewish.

I have a friend from Iran, she will let you know she is NOT an Arab, she is a Persian! Funny how we are at times very proud of our heritage.

Once we have accepted the Messah, we are now all brothers and sisters.

Oh, I should mention my husband corrected me this evening on my whole "oneness" thinkig in an earlier post.

There is this scripture that explains why there "MUST" be factions/divisions among us..

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 (New King James Version)
18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you.

We are to separate ourselves from those that call themselves believers, but live in such a way as to bring dishonor to the Holy One. Also we are separate ourselves from teachers of false doctrines.

 

[Beekissed]

We are to separate ourselves from those that call themselves believers, but live in such a way as to bring dishonor to the Holy One. Also we are separate ourselves from teachers of false doctrines.

I read this wrong at first...... Then I read it again and did the whole hitting the forehead thingy! Yes! This is definitely scriptural and I think many people who profess Christianity forget this part...they very much want to appear open-minded to other religions.

There is a vast difference in not judging or condemning others for their wrong choices in this life, and actually condoning their false doctrines. We are to come out and be separate from the world (wordly influences).

 

[Denim Deb]

You guys are going to fast for me! I don't have time right now to keep up w/all this.

 

[BarredBuff]

We are to separate ourselves from those that call themselves believers, but live in such a way as to bring dishonor to the Holy One. Also we are separate ourselves from teachers of false doctrines.

I read this wrong at first...... Then I read it again and did the whole hitting the forehead thingy! Yes! This is definitely scriptural and I think many people who profess Christianity forget this part...they very much want to appear open-minded to other religions.

There is a vast difference in not judging or condemning others for their wrong choices in this life, and actually condoning their false doctrines. We are to come out and be separate from the world (wordly influences).

We are to be a stranger in this world.........

 

[Farmfresh]

We are to separate ourselves from those that call themselves believers, but live in such a way as to bring dishonor to the Holy One. Also we are separate ourselves from teachers of false doctrines.

I read this wrong at first...... Then I read it again and did the whole hitting the forehead thingy! Yes! This is definitely scriptural and I think many people who profess Christianity forget this part...they very much want to appear open-minded to other religions.

There is a vast difference in not judging or condemning others for their wrong choices in this life, and actually condoning their false doctrines. We are to come out and be separate from the world (wordly influences).

We are to be a stranger in this world.........

Made MUCH easier because we have each other!

 

[Rebbetzin]

I read this wrong at first...... Then I read it again and did the whole hitting the forehead thingy! Yes! This is definitely scriptural and I think many people who profess Christianity forget this part...they very much want to appear open-minded to other religions.

There is a vast difference in not judging or condemning others for their wrong choices in this life, and actually condoning their false doctrines. We are to come out and be separate from the world (wordly influences).

We are to be a stranger in this world.........

Made MUCH easier because we have each other!

That is true.

One thing we have to guard against is being so "separate" that we are no longer able to be the "salt and light" that is required to to help preserve and enlighten the world around us.

It is indeed a sort of "tightrope" of balance. We are to relate to the lost and dying people as the Holy One Himself, with love and compassion. Yet, we are to not partake in their sins.

To appear "holier than thou" is really not a righteous attitude. Like some of the religious leadership in the days of Messiah, who saw Him actually eating with "sinners!" Yet, those "sinners" were more easily able to come to a place of repentance than the self-righteous religious leaders.

There is to be enough difference in us that the casual observer will be able to look upon our lives and give the Holy One credit for the differences they see.

Matthew 5:16 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

 

[savingdogs]

Hey, where did you get that halo emoticon? I don't have that one in my selection. It is quite appropriate for this thread in particular, don't you think?