Sufficient Self's Bible Study Group

[Quail_Antwerp]

But the Bible tells us that the temple, once destroyed, will never be rebuilt.

Also says our body is the temple.

Yes, I agree, our bodies are a temple for Christ to dwell within, but I was speaking of the physical building called a temple But I Think you knew that. lol

I don't believe I'm going to hell, either, I was just joking about the bacon. and you're right, you don't know what you're missing if you've never had it.

 

[Wannabefree]

I don't believe I'm going to hell period, but I still haven't eaten bacon, so that takes care of that. Some people still wonder how it is I have never had bacon, but you can't miss what you've never had.

That is so true! Never even tried turkey bacon? You MUST

 

[Quail_Antwerp]

So Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah

Yes...but you already knew that, didn't you? The confusion towards Christianity from a Jewish standpoint always comes back to this. We believe He is the promised Messiah and Jews believe He isn't, so never the twain shall meet as His teachings and His crucifixion means nothing to Jews if they believe He was merely a man.

Wait. The Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come?!

Now I'm confused. If Jesus wasn't the Messiah, then who was he?

 

[Denim Deb]

So Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah

Yes...but you already knew that, didn't you? The confusion towards Christianity from a Jewish standpoint always comes back to this. We believe He is the promised Messiah and Jews believe He isn't, so never the twain shall meet as His teachings and His crucifixion means nothing to Jews if they believe He was merely a man.

Wait. The Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come?!

Now I'm confused. If Jesus wasn't the Messiah, then who was he?

Yep, they're still waiting for the Messiah. They believe that Jesus was nothing more that a prophet or a teacher or something other than who He is.

 

[Wannabefree]

So Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah

Yes...but you already knew that, didn't you? The confusion towards Christianity from a Jewish standpoint always comes back to this. We believe He is the promised Messiah and Jews believe He isn't, so never the twain shall meet as His teachings and His crucifixion means nothing to Jews if they believe He was merely a man.

Wait. The Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come?!

Now I'm confused. If Jesus wasn't the Messiah, then who was he?

According to the Jews and the muslims, just a prophet.

And yeah, the Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come. Some Jews anyway. There is a sect that believes in Jesus. The Messianic Jews I believe, and that is what Rebbetzin is, if I'm not mistaken

 

[MarylandFutureFarmGuy]

Judaism....Christianity...not too far from each other really There are other Jewish folks who frequent this thread as well. No worries, you're in good company I don't believe the New Testamnet says we do not have to follow the laws. We do have to follow them, but Christ took the place of some of them.

Now I have a question for you if you don't mind..Why do Jews no longer do animal sacrifice?

That was something reserved for the temple (not to be confused with the Reform jewish word for synagogue). In the days of the temple, Animal Sacrifice was practiced. After it was destroyed (twice), animal sacrifice could not be done. The idea is that the Messiah will come, meet all the Messianic Requirements, and will bring about a new age, which will include the rerebuilding of the temple. When that happens (Supposedly before year 6000), Animal Sacrifice will be practiced once more, I imagine.


I'm not 100 percent positive on this stuff, but I do volunteer for my rabbi a lot, so I'm sure this knowledge leaps in some how....

Okay. What are the Messianic Requirements? I have to say this is a bit confusing to me. When the Messiah comes, is it not for forgiveness of sins, and reconcilliation with God? If so, why would there be animal sacrifices then?

Also, where did you get the number 6000? Just curious.

I really need to get my hands on the Torah

Well, there are a lot of them, and this is where Judaism and Christianity separate, because Jesus didn't meet many of them. The messiah was not explicitly mentioned in the Torah, however it is implied, and scholars suggest the Messiah was introduced later in Judaism, during the age of Prophets. Mashiach=Messiah in Hebrew.


EDIT: that was too long, it is all here if you guys are interested.

essentially, this explains it better than I ever could. This is a great resource Wannabefree if you're interested: http://www.jewfaq.org/index.htm

so I don't have to spam up this thread with quotations.

Also Quail, I can only give you my own religion, I cannot explain why it contradicts yours.

This, however, I don't think is explained. In Judaism, Jesus is not mentioned. he is a false Messiah, one of quite a few. There are things this messiah must do to indicate that he is the messiah, and Jesus did not do them in his lifetime. Therefore, in Judaism, he is not the Messiah.

 

[Mr.Andersson]

My church is baptist, however we do alot of traditional "jewish" traditions, except chaunnakah. We have a few converts in our midst.
Both are correct, no one is wrong.
Jews were put in the middle of the world, to Share God. The laws require a blood sacrifice. Christ is ours. There are 613 in our old test as well! The law was put fourth to show that we can never, never, keep all 613. God does not contradict anything in his word. We shall Both inherit the Kingdom. Hope this helps, and does not offend.

 

[Wannabefree]

MFFG...There is where I am a faithful Christian. You just defined why I believe in Christ, and further cemented my faith. I can not possibly follow a belief system that relies so much on self, and that doesn't believe in the need for forgiveness or salvation. Those are all key factors to me. Otherwise, what's the point of basing a belief system on anything if it's just going to be based on self.

Mr. A There probably is 613, I've never counted The Ten are just basic, the others sort of draw from them IMO.

 

[MarylandFutureFarmGuy]

MFFG...There is where I am a faithful Christian. You just defined why I believe in Christ, and further cemented my faith. I can not possibly follow a belief system that relies so much on self, and that doesn't believe in the need for forgiveness or salvation. Those are all key factors to me. Otherwise, what's the point of basing a belief system on anything if it's just going to be based on self.

Mr. A There probably is 613, I've never counted The Ten are just basic, the others sort of draw from them IMO.

And you just reaffirmed my religion. When we do good deeds, we are our own salvation. When A Jew follows Judaism, he helps his soul.


And I wouldn't quite say that the other mitzvot draw from the Ten Commandments. 613 drawing from only 10?

 

[Wannabefree]

MFFG...There is where I am a faithful Christian. You just defined why I believe in Christ, and further cemented my faith. I can not possibly follow a belief system that relies so much on self, and that doesn't believe in the need for forgiveness or salvation. Those are all key factors to me. Otherwise, what's the point of basing a belief system on anything if it's just going to be based on self.

Mr. A There probably is 613, I've never counted The Ten are just basic, the others sort of draw from them IMO.

And you just reaffirmed my religion. When we do good deeds, we are our own salvation. When A Jew follows Judaism, he helps his soul.


And I wouldn't quite say that the other mitzvot draw from the Ten Commandments. 613 drawing from only 10?

We do plenty of bad deeds too though, some by mistake, others...maybe not so much. Human nature itself defies the ability to be truly "good" IMO.

Yes the 10 are basic. The others are variations, better outlined, but all trace back to the original 10.

Sorry if that offended, I didn't mean for it to be offensive to you, it just hit me all at once why I do follow Christianity as opposed to Judaism. My cousins are Messianic Jews, by conversion, and I still don't understand why they believe the way they do I guess that is part of why I am so interested. Though you are from a different sect of Judaism, there are similarities.